identification

cedric Le Dauphin · 23rd June 2008, 02:45 PM

Hi! Everybody,

I'm just looking for the right names.
Thank you for any help.
Best regards

kino · 23rd June 2008, 11:13 PM

Beautifiul pieces. Lovely wood on the top scabbard.
The middle sword, is the little knife detachable? Thanks for sharing.

VANDOO · 24th June 2008, 05:43 AM

3 VERY NICE SWORDS

I WILL HAZZARD A GUESS THEY ARE FROM BORNEO. THE FIRST ONE HAS A HANDLE DESIGN I HAVE SEEN ON SADAP A VARIATION OF THE PRANG LATOK, THE BLADE HOWEVER IS NOT IN THE NORMAL LATOK FORM.
THE SECOND ONE WAS DISCUSSED ON THE FORUM A WHILE BACK BUT I AM NOT SURE IF WE EVER DECIDED WHAT TO CALL IT BUT IT IS A DEFINITE TYPE AS THERE ARE SEVERAL OWNED BY MEMBERS HERE. I WOULD LOOSLY CLASSIFY IT AS A FORM OF PARANG NYABOR.

THE THIRD ONE APPEARS TO HAVE A BLADE CUT DOWN FROM A MACHETE WITH A HANDLE ALSO RESEMBELING THE NYABOR SHAPE.
THATS THE BEST I CAN DO BUT THERE ARE THOSE ON THE FORUM WITH MUCH MORE KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD, PERHAPS THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CORRECT ANY MISTAKES I MAY HAVE MADE AND PIN IT DOWN BETTER FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK

kai · 24th June 2008, 09:32 AM

1. Parang Pedang (cp. Shelford, 1901: http://www.jstor.org/pss/2842798)

2. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5387

3. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5074

VVV · 24th June 2008, 05:00 PM

Hello Cedric,

Kai's already answered your question but I would like to add that your Parang Pedang is more like a transition between a PP and a Murut Sangkit.
See http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2149

I am especially thinking about the characteristic Sangkit and Pakayun brass ferrule and also the scabbard.
Except yours I have only seen one resembling transitional parang and that's in the collection of one of our mutual Scandinavian friends.

How old do you estimate the (Iban) Parang #3 is?

Michael

PS Here are 2 "classic" PPs as a comparision - sorry about the bad pictures.

Royston · 25th June 2008, 01:24 PM

Cedric

Three beautiful swords.

Congratulations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

1. Parang Pedang (cp. Shelford, 1901: http://www.jstor.org/pss/2842798)

2. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5387

3. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5074

Kai,

I have noticed this article before as being held by jstor. When I looked at it, it appears that you can only gain access from a university or institution site.
Do you have any any better ideas ? There must be a wealth of knowledge in these old journals.

Royston

cedric Le Dauphin · 21st September 2008, 02:46 PM

Hi everyone!

As promissed, i Posted the swords of this collection in the swap forum to respect the rules,
Best regards
Cedric Le Dauphin

ariel · 23rd September 2008, 12:02 AM

Two questions:
1. Sword #1: isn't the blade very similar to the one I showed once
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3313
The tropical wood handle is quite interesting, and the bolster/handguard smell " Pacific" to me...
Not?
2. Sword #2. Which side is the edge? I.e., is it possible that the handle is upside down?

kai · 23rd September 2008, 09:19 AM

Hello Ariel,

Quote:

Sword #1: isn't the blade very similar to the one I showed once
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3313

I don't think there's any relationship: IMHO possible similarities in blade shape are merely incidental (blade construction is very different but that is difficult to see from pics).

I still think the piece from the other thread is most likely from northern Africa.

Quote:

Sword #2. Which side is the edge? I.e., is it possible that the handle is upside down?

The whole sword is pictured upside down...

Regards,
Kai

kai · 23rd September 2008, 09:35 AM

Quote:

I have noticed this article before as being held by jstor. When I looked at it, it appears that you can only gain access from a university or institution site.
Do you have any any better ideas ? There must be a wealth of knowledge in these old journals.

I had answered Royston by PM but others may also interested: Most online articles can be purchased individually but I believe that the demanded fees are way too high!

Most research libraries have standing subscriptions for journals, especially from their field of interest, and services like JSTOR. The most sensible approach is to grab a large USB stick and spend some hours in the next university library: From a public PC within the library you can browse and download articles of interest for personal use free of charge. Better equipped libraries may also have WLAN access from their premises.

Regards,
Kai

24th June 2008, 05:00 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hello Cedric, Kai's already answered your question but I would like to add that your Parang Pedang is more like a transition between a PP and a Murut Sangkit. See http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2149 I am especially thinking about the characteristic Sangkit and Pakayun brass ferrule and also the scabbard. Except yours I have only seen one resembling transitional parang and that's in the collection of one of our mutual Scandinavian friends. How old do you estimate the (Iban) Parang #3 is? Michael PS Here are 2 "classic" PPs as a comparision - sorry about the bad pictures. Attached Images

23rd June 2008, 02:45 PM	#1
cedric Le Dauphin Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 39	identification Hi! Everybody, I'm just looking for the right names. Thank you for any help. Best regards Attached Images

23rd June 2008, 11:13 PM	#2
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Beautifiul pieces. Lovely wood on the top scabbard. The middle sword, is the little knife detachable? Thanks for sharing.

24th June 2008, 05:43 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	3 VERY NICE SWORDS I WILL HAZZARD A GUESS THEY ARE FROM BORNEO. THE FIRST ONE HAS A HANDLE DESIGN I HAVE SEEN ON SADAP A VARIATION OF THE PRANG LATOK, THE BLADE HOWEVER IS NOT IN THE NORMAL LATOK FORM. THE SECOND ONE WAS DISCUSSED ON THE FORUM A WHILE BACK BUT I AM NOT SURE IF WE EVER DECIDED WHAT TO CALL IT BUT IT IS A DEFINITE TYPE AS THERE ARE SEVERAL OWNED BY MEMBERS HERE. I WOULD LOOSLY CLASSIFY IT AS A FORM OF PARANG NYABOR. THE THIRD ONE APPEARS TO HAVE A BLADE CUT DOWN FROM A MACHETE WITH A HANDLE ALSO RESEMBELING THE NYABOR SHAPE. THATS THE BEST I CAN DO BUT THERE ARE THOSE ON THE FORUM WITH MUCH MORE KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD, PERHAPS THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CORRECT ANY MISTAKES I MAY HAVE MADE AND PIN IT DOWN BETTER FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK

24th June 2008, 09:32 AM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	1. Parang Pedang (cp. Shelford, 1901: http://www.jstor.org/pss/2842798) 2. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5387 3. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5074

21st September 2008, 02:46 PM	#7
cedric Le Dauphin Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 39	Hi everyone! As promissed, i Posted the swords of this collection in the swap forum to respect the rules, Best regards Cedric Le Dauphin

23rd September 2008, 12:02 AM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Two questions: 1. Sword #1: isn't the blade very similar to the one I showed once http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3313 The tropical wood handle is quite interesting, and the bolster/handguard smell " Pacific" to me... Not? 2. Sword #2. Which side is the edge? I.e., is it possible that the handle is upside down?