twist core kris for comment

Pinoy Blade Hunter · 28th February 2018, 07:26 AM

Hello,

i now have my very own twist core kris! hurray! hahaha

I saw it sitting in a antiques shop, all rusty, what interested me was the carving near the gangya (i dont know what it's called). it is deep, clear and precise. it also has some battle scars on the edges, like it has been to war edge to edge combat.

the handle is coming off, the scabbard does not fit. i think the ferule is silver.

can you guys please tell me more about this blade?

i tried to clean in with: wd40, then sanded 1000, then soaked quickly in vinegar to check if it was indeed twist core. and i was pleasantly surprised that it was!

i am cleaning it now, soaking in vinegar, then wipe with wd40 then sand 800,1000. there are lots more to be done, i know.

mariusgmioc · 28th February 2018, 09:52 AM

Beautiful blade, although I guess it is quite recent.

Spunjer · 28th February 2018, 11:05 AM

wow, congrats! those are the best, the ones that gets you by surprise.
on the contrary, mariusgmioc, this piece looks old

Gustav · 28th February 2018, 11:36 AM

And a rare one too, with four twisted bars.

Pinoy Blade Hunter · 28th February 2018, 11:45 AM

after some more sanding _800-1000-1200-1500-1500, vinegar soak for 1 hour

F. de Luzon · 28th February 2018, 12:24 PM

That's a wonderful blade, PBH. Congrats!

Fernando

Pinoy Blade Hunter · 28th February 2018, 12:58 PM

thanks everyone! i am really happy with this find.

do you have any idea which year or century this might have been made? or is the hilt and scabbard just as important in telling the blades origins?

what can you say about the blade alone?

thanks in advance!

Ferguson · 28th February 2018, 01:15 PM

What a stunning blade. Congratulations!
Steve

CharlesS · 28th February 2018, 02:12 PM

What a great find. Congrats! I believe it is at the latest early 19th century, but likely much older. Super piece!

Ian · 28th February 2018, 02:39 PM

That's an excellent find and an old style (as Charles has noted). It needs an appropriate hilt and asang asang--perhaps Battara can help you with that.

Ian.

Sajen · 28th February 2018, 03:06 PM

Agree with the previous comments, great find! Congrats!

19th century for sure.

When you restore it or let restore it please keep us updated.

Regards,
Detlef

kai · 28th February 2018, 05:55 PM

Congrats, PBH! The pamor looks very nice, indeed.

Please add the specs for this kalis: length, width, max. thickness, weight of the blade. A close-up of the right side of the base would be great, too!

I agree that the hilt is a late replacement - this blade definitely deserves a better one! How many notches does the ferrule show?

The scabbard seems to be bound with fishing line? Open it up and check if you can (and need to) adjust the inside to this blade. If it doesn't fit at all, keep it for another kris...

The left side seems to have been heavily abraded at the base (probably by a stupid former owner). Am I correct that the central ridge is flattened and noticeably lower than the neighbouring gangya? I'd be inclined trying to restore the original lines as much as feasible (which would need a skilled metalworker with a feel for the traditional flow of lines).

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 1st March 2018, 12:22 AM

I would place this at late 1700s to very early 1800s (as Charles noted).

Also I would place the blade from the Sulu region.

What a catch! Congratulations! I agree with all that the hilt is much later and it had silver clamps on it.

Pinoy Blade Hunter · 1st March 2018, 12:47 AM

here are a few more pictures and measurement.

the blade is 19 inches long, weighs about a pound ( i dont have an appropriate weighing scale, i weighed it versus 1.5 pounds dumbel)

the thickest part of the blade is 1/2 inch, tapering to 1/16th

the lines running along the blade are getting faint, yeah maybe rough sanding from previous owners.

the middle part of the blade (along the length) is not deeper but thicker.

the ferule shows 1 notch

Dayaktribe · 19th March 2018, 02:35 PM

nice twistcore blade brother!

ACP · 27th March 2018, 04:28 PM

This is a very interesting blade you have acquired. Hopefully more information can be gleaned from our panel of experts. Thumbs up for your new sword

kino · 19th January 2019, 03:27 PM

PBR, have you found a hilt for this very fine blade?

Bill M · 20th January 2019, 12:28 PM

Excellent blade! Very happy for you.

Pinoy Blade Hunter · 22nd January 2019, 08:22 AM

thanks everyone.

i have not yet found a handle for this one.

Pinoy Blade Hunter · 22nd June 2020, 05:45 AM

i decided to have a new hilt and scabbard made for this old sword.
it was made by a tausug blacksmith artisan in zamboanga.

comparing it to my other kris with original hilt, the newer hilt is on the chunky side hahaha. but the okkir is still there, and the string binding was still traditionally done.

not blingy, not a restoration, but modern furniture on an old blade.

more pics and the whole story on my blog:
https://www.facebook.com/pinoybladeh...58928471077002

Battara · 23rd June 2020, 03:51 AM

Nice work! Still needs an asana-asang silver clamp.

28th February 2018, 07:26 AM	#1
Pinoy Blade Hunter Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 62	twist core kris for comment Hello, i now have my very own twist core kris! hurray! hahaha I saw it sitting in a antiques shop, all rusty, what interested me was the carving near the gangya (i dont know what it's called). it is deep, clear and precise. it also has some battle scars on the edges, like it has been to war edge to edge combat. the handle is coming off, the scabbard does not fit. i think the ferule is silver. can you guys please tell me more about this blade? i tried to clean in with: wd40, then sanded 1000, then soaked quickly in vinegar to check if it was indeed twist core. and i was pleasantly surprised that it was! i am cleaning it now, soaking in vinegar, then wipe with wd40 then sand 800,1000. there are lots more to be done, i know. Attached Images

28th February 2018, 11:45 AM	#5
Pinoy Blade Hunter Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 62	after some more sanding _800-1000-1200-1500-1500, vinegar soak for 1 hour Attached Images

1st March 2018, 12:47 AM	#14
Pinoy Blade Hunter Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 62	here are a few more pictures and measurement. the blade is 19 inches long, weighs about a pound ( i dont have an appropriate weighing scale, i weighed it versus 1.5 pounds dumbel) the thickest part of the blade is 1/2 inch, tapering to 1/16th the lines running along the blade are getting faint, yeah maybe rough sanding from previous owners. the middle part of the blade (along the length) is not deeper but thicker. the ferule shows 1 notch Attached Images

22nd June 2020, 05:45 AM	#20
Pinoy Blade Hunter Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 62	i decided to have a new hilt and scabbard made for this old sword. it was made by a tausug blacksmith artisan in zamboanga. comparing it to my other kris with original hilt, the newer hilt is on the chunky side hahaha. but the okkir is still there, and the string binding was still traditionally done. not blingy, not a restoration, but modern furniture on an old blade. more pics and the whole story on my blog: https://www.facebook.com/pinoybladeh...58928471077002 Attached Images

28th February 2018, 09:52 AM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Beautiful blade, although I guess it is quite recent.

28th February 2018, 11:05 AM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	wow, congrats! those are the best, the ones that gets you by surprise. on the contrary, mariusgmioc, this piece looks old

28th February 2018, 11:36 AM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,246	And a rare one too, with four twisted bars.

28th February 2018, 12:24 PM	#6
F. de Luzon Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 184	That's a wonderful blade, PBH. Congrats! Fernando

28th February 2018, 12:58 PM	#7
Pinoy Blade Hunter Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 62	thanks everyone! i am really happy with this find. do you have any idea which year or century this might have been made? or is the hilt and scabbard just as important in telling the blades origins? what can you say about the blade alone? thanks in advance!

28th February 2018, 01:15 PM	#8
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	What a stunning blade. Congratulations! Steve

28th February 2018, 02:12 PM	#9
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	What a great find. Congrats! I believe it is at the latest early 19th century, but likely much older. Super piece!

28th February 2018, 02:39 PM	#10
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,194	That's an excellent find and an old style (as Charles has noted). It needs an appropriate hilt and asang asang--perhaps Battara can help you with that. Ian.

28th February 2018, 03:06 PM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Agree with the previous comments, great find! Congrats! 19th century for sure. When you restore it or let restore it please keep us updated. Regards, Detlef

28th February 2018, 05:55 PM	#12
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Congrats, PBH! The pamor looks very nice, indeed. Please add the specs for this kalis: length, width, max. thickness, weight of the blade. A close-up of the right side of the base would be great, too! I agree that the hilt is a late replacement - this blade definitely deserves a better one! How many notches does the ferrule show? The scabbard seems to be bound with fishing line? Open it up and check if you can (and need to) adjust the inside to this blade. If it doesn't fit at all, keep it for another kris... The left side seems to have been heavily abraded at the base (probably by a stupid former owner). Am I correct that the central ridge is flattened and noticeably lower than the neighbouring gangya? I'd be inclined trying to restore the original lines as much as feasible (which would need a skilled metalworker with a feel for the traditional flow of lines). Regards, Kai

1st March 2018, 12:22 AM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	I would place this at late 1700s to very early 1800s (as Charles noted). Also I would place the blade from the Sulu region. What a catch! Congratulations! I agree with all that the hilt is much later and it had silver clamps on it.

19th March 2018, 02:35 PM	#15
Dayaktribe Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 11	nice twistcore blade brother!

27th March 2018, 04:28 PM	#16
ACP Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Western Visayas Philippines Posts: 16	This is a very interesting blade you have acquired. Hopefully more information can be gleaned from our panel of experts. Thumbs up for your new sword

19th January 2019, 03:27 PM	#17
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,001	PBR, have you found a hilt for this very fine blade?

20th January 2019, 12:28 PM	#18
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Excellent blade! Very happy for you.

22nd January 2019, 08:22 AM	#19
Pinoy Blade Hunter Member Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 62	thanks everyone. i have not yet found a handle for this one.

23rd June 2020, 03:51 AM	#21
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	Nice work! Still needs an asana-asang silver clamp.