Old persian sword

[qusko]

Hi,

Can you help me to evaluate how old is that blade and what is the origin?

I suspect persian blade from minimum XVIII.. but maybe XVII..

Hilt is missing but might be ineresting.. anatomical shape rather than classic one.

[Pertinax]

Hello qusko

IMHO this is a Hungarian-Polish karabela

Regards, Yuri

[TVV]

The guard is Persian, and there were Persian trade blades with fullers. After cleaning the blade, are there any markings?

[qusko]

Thank you for your comments.

Unfortunately blade has no markings. Indeed it is similar to persian trade blades, might be older. I have attached few Pictures, where similar blade, or hilt shape were used. In some other articles I read it might be Zand era blade.

In polish karabela there were foreign blade used,but seems it is not the case of this sabre.

[mariusgmioc]

Hello,

I am of the opinion this is NOT a Persian but an European trade blade.

I base my opinion on the configuration of the blade like the shape of the edge and the fullers.

Yes, the cross-guard appears to be Persian but this is the ONLY Persian feature I can distinguish in this example.

PS: In my opinion, the blade in the photo below is also an European (probably Solingen) trade blade.

[Pertinax]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hello,

I am of the opinion this is NOT a Persian but an European trade blade.

I base my opinion on the configuration of the blade like the shape of the edge and the fullers.

Yes, the cross-guard appears to be Persian but this is the ONLY Persian feature I can distinguish in this example.

PS: In my opinion, the blade in the photo below is also an European (probably Solingen) trade blade.

+100

Several examples of carabela handles and crosspieces

[qusko]

Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt.

If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ?

[Norman McCormick]

Hi,
Here is an identified Persian trade blade of mine for comparison. Hope this is of some use.
Regards,
Norman.

[qusko]

Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt.

If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ?

[qusko]

I was not able to find any other similar blade as the one posted earlier. It might be a a europen trade blade.. can you share your thoughts on date? Any similar baldes you saw?

Adding here full blade from other example I have found, plus museum examples of the swords with persian trade blades.

[qusko]

Hi,

Just saw similar blade in one of the past auctions - mentioned as eastern europe hussar's sabre XVII-XVII.

On top of that, same blade I have found in one of the temporary exhibitions in the museum. Dated in similar way, but present in two sabres - Russian's hussar sabre and Austrian hussar's sabre.

So indeed European trade blade widely used (same one was in syrian example above)

[werecow]

A bit of a side note as I don't know the origins of this style of blade, but that style of fullering got around. I find it rather attractive. Here is one on my Aceh peudeueng.