UMAR MAYE

brekele · 14th September 2008, 10:11 AM

Hi …Good Morning
Some years ago when first time I came to Lombok Island, I heard some local mitos story kind of Datu Brenge, Ine Leme, Umar Maye and some others.
But one of mitos that stil hard to find out more informations about it was mythical local lombok story about Umar Maye.
Sometimes lombok peoples used this figure as their keris hilt motif or carved on their cundrik’s sheath etc.

Here finally I had pic of him carved on cundrik’s sheath.
(You guys might seen this figure before)
But as I said sometimes this figure can find in Lombok-Bali keris hilt.

Hmm...Who is Umar Maye ?

Brekele.

Alam Shah · 14th September 2008, 03:08 PM

More pics of Umar Maye here... but I don't know anything about his story.

http://gallerykeris.fotopic.net/c1548441.html

http://gallerykeris.fotopic.net/p52102843.html

David · 14th September 2008, 05:13 PM

They do bear an interesting resemblance to Makara hilts.

Rick · 14th September 2008, 08:57 PM

A figure from the Wayang perhaps ?

brekele · 14th September 2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

A figure from the Wayang perhaps ?

Rick, I was also think this figure also as wayang figure but until now stil not 100% sure about it, because stil don’t find yet a book that explain about this figure.
I did asked one man from Lombok who is a Keris collector about Umar Maye, and what I can get information from him is that Umar Maye is a symbol of a smart (astutely) and strong person in Lombok mitos. Umar Maye also have magic bag that made of bamboo called “ Gandek”.
This man said that Umar Maye can see many thing in this world only from inside his Gandek bag.

Some links that Alam showed to us was perfect pics that shown how Umar Maye figure really look like with his Gandek bag. Thanks Alam.

Alam Shah · 15th September 2008, 12:43 PM

You're most welcome. Thanks for sharing.

If you''ve more info, do feel free to add...

kulbuntet · 9th October 2008, 01:12 AM

Maybe Ganesha.. lombok and bali have great Hindu influences.

Alam Shah · 9th October 2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kulbuntet

Maybe Ganesha.. lombok and bali have great Hindu influences.

Yes, Lombak and Bali does have Hindu influence... however, imho, I don't think it's Umar Maye = Ganesha...

kulbuntet · 9th October 2008, 11:41 PM

To Alam Shah..

Can you tel us why? If i look at it i can see the curled elefant nose. Are there in wayang Elefant figures? Or is there an other explanation?

Regards Michel

A. G. Maisey · 10th October 2008, 12:04 AM

I do not know who or what umar maye is or represents.

I do not know the meaning of the name, nor the individual words.

My understanding is that this character is a part of the folk lore of Lombok. However, I do not know if this character is from Sasak folk lore, or Lombok/Bali folk lore, or the folk lore of one of the other cultural groups who comprise the population of Lombok.

The way to understanding is to research to folk lore of Lombok, the way to understanding is not to engage in speculation based upon superficial characteristics.

Alam Shah · 10th October 2008, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

... The way to understanding is to research to folk lore of Lombok, the way to understanding is not to engage in speculation based upon superficial characteristics.

Agreed... I have no knowledge of folklore of these regions, hence ignore my earlier speculative comment.

14th September 2008, 10:11 AM	#1
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	UMAR MAYE Hi …Good Morning Some years ago when first time I came to Lombok Island, I heard some local mitos story kind of Datu Brenge, Ine Leme, Umar Maye and some others. But one of mitos that stil hard to find out more informations about it was mythical local lombok story about Umar Maye. Sometimes lombok peoples used this figure as their keris hilt motif or carved on their cundrik’s sheath etc. Here finally I had pic of him carved on cundrik’s sheath. (You guys might seen this figure before) But as I said sometimes this figure can find in Lombok-Bali keris hilt. Hmm...Who is Umar Maye ? Brekele. Attached Images Last edited by brekele; 14th September 2008 at 12:06 PM.

14th September 2008, 03:08 PM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	More pics of Umar Maye here... but I don't know anything about his story. http://gallerykeris.fotopic.net/c1548441.html http://gallerykeris.fotopic.net/p52102843.html

14th September 2008, 05:13 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,130	They do bear an interesting resemblance to Makara hilts.

14th September 2008, 08:57 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,294	A figure from the Wayang perhaps ?

15th September 2008, 12:43 PM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	You're most welcome. Thanks for sharing. If you''ve more info, do feel free to add...

9th October 2008, 01:12 AM	#7
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Maybe Ganesha.. lombok and bali have great Hindu influences.

9th October 2008, 11:41 PM	#9
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	To Alam Shah.. Can you tel us why? If i look at it i can see the curled elefant nose. Are there in wayang Elefant figures? Or is there an other explanation? Regards Michel

10th October 2008, 12:04 AM	#10
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,898	I do not know who or what umar maye is or represents. I do not know the meaning of the name, nor the individual words. My understanding is that this character is a part of the folk lore of Lombok. However, I do not know if this character is from Sasak folk lore, or Lombok/Bali folk lore, or the folk lore of one of the other cultural groups who comprise the population of Lombok. The way to understanding is to research to folk lore of Lombok, the way to understanding is not to engage in speculation based upon superficial characteristics.