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Old 4th June 2023, 05:42 PM   #1
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my latest find
Knife 27cm
Blade of fine Wootz steel, with gold koftgari
Handle is three-piece and made of brown jade with gold inlays. the end of the handle is decorated with a red agate (?).
Silver scabbard, unfortunately the tip is missing
I would like to hear the specialists' opinion on this knife and a translation of the writing would certainly be very helpful.

thank you all for taking the time.
greetings from Switzerland
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Old 4th June 2023, 08:10 PM   #2
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my latest find
Knife 27cm
Blade of fine Wootz steel, with gold koftgari
Handle is three-piece and made of brown jade with gold inlays. the end of the handle is decorated with a red agate (?).
Silver scabbard, unfortunately the tip is missing
I would like to hear the specialists' opinion on this knife and a translation of the writing would certainly be very helpful.

thank you all for taking the time.
greetings from Switzerland
Hello chregu

Congratulations! Magnificent knife.
I asked for my friend's help in translating. Here is what he writes:
Well known saying for Turkish (Seljuk) thinker and statesman Ahi Evran:
Gelen gelsun saadetle, Giden getsun selametle.
كلان كلسون سعادلة، كيدن كيتسون سلامتلة.
Translation: Everyone is wellcomed to be one of us, however, we welkcome his leaving us if he asks to leave.
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Old 5th June 2023, 03:10 PM   #3
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Hello Turkoman. khan

thank you very much for your quick answer.
so the knife would have to come from the area of ​​today's Türkiye? from around the middle of the 19th century? what do you think?

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Old 5th June 2023, 03:12 PM   #4
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Hello Turkoman. khan

thank you very much for your quick answer.
so the knife would have to come from the area of ​​today's Türkiye? from around the middle of the 19th century? what do you think?

Greetings Chregu
Hello Chregu

I think this is the center of the Ottoman Empire (today's Turkey) and I think this is the 18th century

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Old 13th June 2023, 02:25 PM   #5
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Hello Turkoman.khan

Thanks a lot for your help
I am fascinated by the brown jade handle, which is rarely seen. I still have a curved dagger with an identical handle. but this is currently in an exhibition.
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Daggers with same type of hard stone handle.
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