A MUSKETOON FOR COMMENT

BANDOOK · 3rd October 2016, 08:56 AM

HAS THIS MUSKETOON HAVE A INDIAN CONNECTION LOOKING AT THE GOLD WORKMANSHIP???
A GEORGE 111[18THC] EAST INDIA CO.MUSKETOON
THE BARREL,LOCK,RAMROD,TRIGGER GUARD AND FITTINGS ALL WITH ELABORATE HEAVY GOLD KUBACHI DECORATION.
THE LOCK WITH REMAINS OF MAKERS DETAILS JUST LEGIBLE,THE HAMMER UNDECOARTED,ROSEWOOD STOCK
LENGTH -915
REGARDS RAJESH

corrado26 · 3rd October 2016, 09:23 AM

A very remarkable piece with a never seen decoration. I wonder what purpose this carbine with a rosewood stock must have been made for. Thanks for showing.
corrado26

BANDOOK · 3rd October 2016, 09:34 AM

THANKS CORRADO SOME MORE PICTURES HERE AS THE I HAVE CROPPED THE PICTURES SO I COULD FIT IN TO THE FILES,CHEERS

BANDOOK · 3rd October 2016, 01:14 PM

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corrado26 · 3rd October 2016, 03:18 PM

Sorry for answering once more and not beeing Kubur or Rick:

I think that this mousketoon has no connections to English weapons at all and has been made in India. Neither the stock nor the barrel and the mountings have a conformity to British firearms during the flintlock aera.
corrado26

Kubur · 3rd October 2016, 04:27 PM

Hi,
It's too far from Kubur's expertise.
Kubur stays on the Mediterranean shores...

Jim McDougall · 3rd October 2016, 04:47 PM

I think those markings may be associated with EIC systems of issue or mfg. If anyone has access to David Hardings "Small Arms of the East India Co." I think there is data there. The India link seems well placed.

BANDOOK · 4th October 2016, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi,
It's too far from Kubur's expertise.
Kubur stays on the Mediterranean shores...

HI KUBUR WELL SOME TIMES U DRIFT ACROSS TO THE INDIAN OCEAN SO I TRIED MY LUCK,CHEERS

BANDOOK · 4th October 2016, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

I think those markings may be associated with EIC systems of issue or mfg. If anyone has access to David Hardings "Small Arms of the East India Co." I think there is data there. The India link seems well placed.

THANKS JIM ,YES SOME MEMBER COULD TELL US ABOUT THAT,CHEERS

BANDOOK · 4th October 2016, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrado26

Sorry for answering once more and not beeing Kubur or Rick:

I think that this mousketoon has no connections to English weapons at all and has been made in India. Neither the stock nor the barrel and the mountings have a conformity to British firearms during the flintlock aera.
corrado26

HI CORRADO YOU ARE MOST WELCOME WHATEVER YOU THINK AND FREE TO COMMENT,THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW,CHEERS

rickystl · 4th October 2016, 04:41 PM

Hi Bandook.

I think Corrado and Jim are close to the mark here. The gold wash decoration and barrel profile look very Indian to me. This gun looks like a styling exercise by the maker/owner. Curious all the iron parts are decorated - except the butt plate. There is some slight English styling, but for the most part a custom design. Very interesting gun and worthy of further research. Speaking of which, I wish I could find a copy of Hardings book. Anyone have one for sale ? LOL

Rick

BANDOOK · 6th October 2016, 11:26 AM

THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS RICK,AM SURE MORE MEMBERS WILL COMMENT AND MORE RESEARCH COULD BE DONE FOR THIS GUN,KIND REGARDS RAJESH

Oliver Pinchot · 7th October 2016, 02:44 AM

It is certainly Indian work, and very fine at that.
The most obvious traits are the rosewood stock and the quality of the gold
embellishment and motifs. Likely latter 18th century. Probably made for an East India Company officer.

Ian · 7th October 2016, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Bandook.

...I wish I could find a copy of Hardings book. Anyone have one for sale ? ...

Rick

Rick,

You can find copies by searching on www.abebooks.com but these are fairly expensive. There were four volumes.

Ian.

BANDOOK · 7th October 2016, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

It is certainly Indian work, and very fine at that.
The most obvious traits are the rosewood stock and the quality of the gold
embellishment and motifs. Likely latter 18th century. Probably made for an East India Company officer.

THANKS OLIVER GOOD TO CONFIRM ITS INDIAN FOR SURE,CHEERS

3rd October 2016, 08:56 AM	#1
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	A MUSKETOON FOR COMMENT HAS THIS MUSKETOON HAVE A INDIAN CONNECTION LOOKING AT THE GOLD WORKMANSHIP??? A GEORGE 111[18THC] EAST INDIA CO.MUSKETOON THE BARREL,LOCK,RAMROD,TRIGGER GUARD AND FITTINGS ALL WITH ELABORATE HEAVY GOLD KUBACHI DECORATION. THE LOCK WITH REMAINS OF MAKERS DETAILS JUST LEGIBLE,THE HAMMER UNDECOARTED,ROSEWOOD STOCK LENGTH -915 REGARDS RAJESH Attached Images Last edited by BANDOOK; 3rd October 2016 at 09:15 AM.

3rd October 2016, 09:34 AM	#3
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	THANKS CORRADO SOME MORE PICTURES HERE AS THE I HAVE CROPPED THE PICTURES SO I COULD FIT IN TO THE FILES,CHEERS Attached Images

3rd October 2016, 09:23 AM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	A very remarkable piece with a never seen decoration. I wonder what purpose this carbine with a rosewood stock must have been made for. Thanks for showing. corrado26

3rd October 2016, 01:14 PM	#4
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	KUBUR AND RICK WOULD LIKE YPOUR COMMENTS,CHEERS

3rd October 2016, 03:18 PM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	Sorry for answering once more and not beeing Kubur or Rick: I think that this mousketoon has no connections to English weapons at all and has been made in India. Neither the stock nor the barrel and the mountings have a conformity to British firearms during the flintlock aera. corrado26

3rd October 2016, 04:27 PM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi, It's too far from Kubur's expertise. Kubur stays on the Mediterranean shores...

3rd October 2016, 04:47 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,946	I think those markings may be associated with EIC systems of issue or mfg. If anyone has access to David Hardings "Small Arms of the East India Co." I think there is data there. The India link seems well placed.

4th October 2016, 04:41 PM	#11
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Bandook. I think Corrado and Jim are close to the mark here. The gold wash decoration and barrel profile look very Indian to me. This gun looks like a styling exercise by the maker/owner. Curious all the iron parts are decorated - except the butt plate. There is some slight English styling, but for the most part a custom design. Very interesting gun and worthy of further research. Speaking of which, I wish I could find a copy of Hardings book. Anyone have one for sale ? LOL Rick

6th October 2016, 11:26 AM	#12
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS RICK,AM SURE MORE MEMBERS WILL COMMENT AND MORE RESEARCH COULD BE DONE FOR THIS GUN,KIND REGARDS RAJESH

7th October 2016, 02:44 AM	#13
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	It is certainly Indian work, and very fine at that. The most obvious traits are the rosewood stock and the quality of the gold embellishment and motifs. Likely latter 18th century. Probably made for an East India Company officer.