A further koummya

corrado26 · 30th September 2017, 10:25 AM

Since many years I have a preference of particular koummyas and yesterday I could afford another fine examplee, it is number six in my collection of this type.
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mariusgmioc · 30th September 2017, 01:24 PM

Beautiful pieces. Do you know where were their blades made?

corrado26 · 30th September 2017, 02:15 PM

No, I have absolutely no idea
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Kubur · 30th September 2017, 05:38 PM

Welcome to the club of the 1900 koummyas....

Battara · 30th September 2017, 05:46 PM

Nice camel bone examples!

motan · 30th September 2017, 08:22 PM

Hi, I am a bit confused. I always thought that these camel bone koummyas were tourist pieces from about 1940 and onwards. Also, they do not appear in the literture I know about koummyas.
Typical for the camel bone pieces I have seen so far are the poor silver work and especially the low quality blades, like the one shown by Kubur (sorry).
However, ALL the pieces shown by Corrado26 have good quality blades (though a bit different from the stadard), the quality of the work is good in general and they even seem to have some age. Can someone inlight me?

By the way, the blades and design are so similiar in all the daggers that they are probably from the same area/workshop.

Kubur · 30th September 2017, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by motan

Can someone inlight me?
.

Yes I can
You are right and wrong.
My koummya is of a lesser quality but almost early as the ones presented before. Look at the stamp that you can see on local (shitty) blades, they don't even cut. But they are from koummya from the early 20th.
They are all from the 1900. And yes probably from one or two factories as they are very similar. Now look at my thread on Morocan pistols, you will see a lot of similarities too and I think that they were produced in the same area.
These pistols and these koummya were produced for an early tourist market.
and also long guns
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=morrocan

motan · 30th September 2017, 11:08 PM

Thanks Kubur. What you say makes a lot of sense, but..some questions are still open.
-The blades on Corrado26's pieces are very different. They are definately of good quality, but the are not typical koummya style. Hollow forged style is seen in koummyas that I think are from about the turn of the 19th c., but the extra bevel is strange. Some are marked with B and a number. Therefore, mariusgmioc's question about their origin is good one.
-The similarity to the guns is not that obvious, except for the use of camel bone plates.
So, I agree that these are probably early pieces for the tourist market.
Also, quality and age are not 1:1. Probably, some koummyas were made in less professional workshops, but are basically the same age as what they imitate ("village type") and have even been used by locals.
It is still true that most 19th c. pieces are of higher (but variable) quality and were made in one of the traditional styles described in http://nimcha.fr/koummya.htm

motan · 1st October 2017, 07:31 AM

Just a last remark. If the type is not een early one, but the quality is much better that what is usual for the type, they could well be "presentation" daggers, made as gift for important visitors.

Kubur · 1st October 2017, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by motan

Just a last remark. If the type is not een early one, but the quality is much better that what is usual for the type, they could well be "presentation" daggers, made as gift for important visitors.

Exactly, sort of diplomatic gifts like the pistols and long guns ...

corrado26 · 1st October 2017, 09:32 AM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=koummya

This link shows more koummyas with the same quality blades and as is esplained, all have obviously been made for presentation purposes. My items all but one come from the collection of the former tennis Champion Baron von Cramm, who was married with the then richest women of the world Barbara Hutton. Cramm had since 1951 a transport firm in Egypt and so I think he bought these daggers in the fifties or maybe shortly before.
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30th September 2017, 10:25 AM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	A further koummya Since many years I have a preference of particular koummyas and yesterday I could afford another fine examplee, it is number six in my collection of this type. corrado26 Attached Images

30th September 2017, 05:38 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Welcome to the club of the 1900 koummyas.... Attached Images

30th September 2017, 01:24 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Beautiful pieces. Do you know where were their blades made?

30th September 2017, 02:15 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	No, I have absolutely no idea corrado26

30th September 2017, 05:46 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,221	Nice camel bone examples!

30th September 2017, 08:22 PM	#6
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi, I am a bit confused. I always thought that these camel bone koummyas were tourist pieces from about 1940 and onwards. Also, they do not appear in the literture I know about koummyas. Typical for the camel bone pieces I have seen so far are the poor silver work and especially the low quality blades, like the one shown by Kubur (sorry). However, ALL the pieces shown by Corrado26 have good quality blades (though a bit different from the stadard), the quality of the work is good in general and they even seem to have some age. Can someone inlight me? By the way, the blades and design are so similiar in all the daggers that they are probably from the same area/workshop.

30th September 2017, 11:08 PM	#8
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Thanks Kubur. What you say makes a lot of sense, but..some questions are still open. -The blades on Corrado26's pieces are very different. They are definately of good quality, but the are not typical koummya style. Hollow forged style is seen in koummyas that I think are from about the turn of the 19th c., but the extra bevel is strange. Some are marked with B and a number. Therefore, mariusgmioc's question about their origin is good one. -The similarity to the guns is not that obvious, except for the use of camel bone plates. So, I agree that these are probably early pieces for the tourist market. Also, quality and age are not 1:1. Probably, some koummyas were made in less professional workshops, but are basically the same age as what they imitate ("village type") and have even been used by locals. It is still true that most 19th c. pieces are of higher (but variable) quality and were made in one of the traditional styles described in http://nimcha.fr/koummya.htm

1st October 2017, 07:31 AM	#9
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Just a last remark. If the type is not een early one, but the quality is much better that what is usual for the type, they could well be "presentation" daggers, made as gift for important visitors.

1st October 2017, 09:32 AM	#11
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=koummya This link shows more koummyas with the same quality blades and as is esplained, all have obviously been made for presentation purposes. My items all but one come from the collection of the former tennis Champion Baron von Cramm, who was married with the then richest women of the world Barbara Hutton. Cramm had since 1951 a transport firm in Egypt and so I think he bought these daggers in the fifties or maybe shortly before. corrado26