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Old 8th January 2014, 08:11 PM   #1
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Default Wheellock Mechanism Parts and Their Correct Labeling

I found this on wikipedia and posted it here before.


Let me please do so once again in a thread of its own; its worth it, I guess, especially as some members still seem to have difficulties choosing exact denominations.

The only sad thing about this is that the first image showing the outside of the lock mechanism is of course shown mirrored. I could not reverse it because of the script. Please do keep that in mind.

The lock mechanism is German, the locksmith was Georg Schneider in Nuremberg, ca. 1575-80.


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Old 8th January 2014, 10:17 PM   #2
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... The only sad thing about this is that the first image showing the outside of the lock mechanism is of course shown mirrored. I could not reverse it because of the script. Please do keep that in mind....
What you mean mirrored, Michl ?

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Old 8th January 2014, 10:59 PM   #3
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O.k. then, you scoundrel,

When you're here with me in Bavaria you gotta show me how you did that, you computer crack!

Best, and thanks a million,
Michl, a bloody computer layman
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A finely etched, detached wheellock mechanism for a small arquebus, Ausgburg, Bavaria, ca. 1565-70, formerly in the author's collection; author's photographs.

This is one of the very rare instances that you can study a wheellock mechanism when completely dismantled down to all its tiniest parts, and the smallest of screws.


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Old 12th January 2014, 01:35 PM   #5
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A finely etched and gilt double lock and barrel wheellock pistol, made by Peter Peck in Munich, Bavaria, in ca. 1540-45, preserved in the Met and dismantled to all its single parts.

Have fun jigsaw-puzzling!


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What ... do you expect me to insert a legend in each part ?
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Well, 'Nando,


If anybody can manage to do that, then he must be a computer cracker like you!


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Old 12th January 2014, 02:47 PM   #8
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Don't keep telling those things or people out there beleives that ... and will conclude i flag such presumption. I am a complete ignaro; whom keeps hammering on the most basic keys till he gets some lousy (est) result
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Hello Matchlock

Indeed, it is a blessing to see gutted mechanisms. Here in Argentina we have no weapons wheel, maybe two and a museum least see them gutted. At most we spark Arms (There is only one copy of wick) (matchlock). Thank you very much.

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Thank you so much, Fernando,

I guess I perfectly understood that the translating machine you employed meant dismantled by 'gutted' and flintlocks by 'spark' arms.

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... I guess I perfectly understood that the translating machine you employed meant dismantled by 'gutted' ...
Not a wrong analogy, though
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That's exactly what I thought, 'Nando,


When looking up the meaning of the verb to gut, which was unknown to me.


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Old 13th January 2014, 09:22 AM   #13
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I think i did it
But some correction is probably needed


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Hi Marcus,


Gosh, you actually did it!
Thank you so much. It was quite a joke between 'Nando and me, I would not have expected anybody to achieve this aim.


I have only very few suggestions to make as long as you can still edit and alter your post in the course of today:



3: wheel cover plate screws

9: dog with upper and lower jaw and tightening screw (it is not a hammer as it does not strike)

10: combined pan and wheel cover plate

15: dog retaining screw



5: combined wheel shaft, excentric and chain

7: pan cover

8: pan cover plate

14: dog with upper and lower jaw and tightening screw

18: dog retaining screw

19: safety catch spring

20: swiveling safety catch

21: saftey catch screw

28: combined left sear and right trigger release spring

31: left main spring pin

37: combined right sear and trigger release spring


Anyone with other sugggestions?


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Now, that's a cracker alright .
Thanks a lot Marcus .
Saved in my libraries..
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Hi,

Thank you both for your compliments
Fernando, did you save the altered version (i corrected a few names after Michael's input )
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Old 13th January 2014, 06:44 PM   #17
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I know its getting down to silly detail but their doesn't seem to be a general agreement about a descriptor for item 30/38. Proposed 'trigger release '
Other variations include 'trigger lever' or 'secondary sear'. I sometimes refer to it as a 'prop' because that describes what it effective does. That is props up the tail of the primary sear locking the primary sear into the wheel. I think my preferred descriptor would be 'secondary sear' in order to avoid confusion with some earlier locks that use a single sear .
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...Fernando, did you save the altered version (i corrected a few names after Michael's input )
Yes ... i checked it before; thanks for caring
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Old 25th October 2014, 01:27 PM   #19
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Perhaps someone could provide labels for the numbers in German as well?

As I want to learn more and more about wheellocks / Radschloss I am grabbing anything I can see whether English or German language and it would help greatly to find an antique arms vocabulary!

I have the IMO wonderful Catalogue of the 4000-piece Wheellock Collection from the Landeszeughaus in Graz, and a number of their publications, which are some in German and some in English. Radschloss Sammlung - Wheellock Collection, Landeszeughaus Graz by Robert Brooker. Radschloss Sammlung - Wheellock Collection, Landeszeughaus Graz, Austria. 730 pages, ill. http://www.antikmakler.de/catalog/lng/en/bv19818.html

The book 'How to build your own Wheellock Pistol or Rifle' edited? by Georg Lauber has full construction drawings (dimensions in decimal inches, though some were said to be produced in mm) of a 1640s-style wheellock with the thin wheel entirely outside the lockplate. I have once scanned this entirely as it is out of print and quite expensive when you find it. A 2007 thread at the Muzzleloading Forums has a post detailing the small errors found by someone who built one from the drawings.

The slightly-thicker-than-a-pamphlet book Wheellock Firearms of the Royal Armouries by Graeme Rimer which has the pictures and part names below on pages 10 and 11:
http://www.royalarmouriesshop.org/bo...armouries.html
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Less said about Lubers book the better.If you hav'nt already found it there is a useful visual tutorial by Raspla at americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=17231.270
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Less said about Lubers book the better.If you hav'nt already found it there is a useful visual tutorial by Raspla at americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=17231.270
Lauber was all there was in the early 1970s when I bought a copy, and it was a valiant effort in the days without the Internet and computer drafting. I always wanted to find what his story was.

Thanks for the link, I am a longtime admirer of Raszpla's work and especially his willingness to share with us.
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