Golok Pandjang Sintoeng restoration

Atlantia · 11th March 2011, 10:04 PM

Hi all,
You may remember that this sword had some scabbard issues.
Hope you approve of the restoration.
New scabbard end is carved from a single piece of buffalo horn.
I think at the moment it needs to be a little thinner, what do you guys think?
Before and after photos below>

........and after.

tunggulametung · 12th March 2011, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

I think at the moment it needs to be a little thinner, what do you guys think?

I think the style is correct and I'm agree that it just needs to be thinner.

Photo source: KITLV

Gavin Nugent · 12th March 2011, 11:20 AM

Agreed mate, thinner. Kind of looks like a walking aid at the moment.

Gav

Atlantia · 12th March 2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by freebooter

Agreed mate, thinner. Kind of looks like a walking aid at the moment.

Gav

ROTF!!! Oh how sharper than a serpents tooth!

Sajen · 12th March 2011, 01:54 PM

Good work already but agree with you and the others, work it a little bit thinner and it will fit perfect!

Regards,

Detlef

Atlantia · 12th March 2011, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tunggulametung

I think the style is correct and I'm agree that it just needs to be thinner.

Photo source: KITLV

Thanks the picture is a great help.
Best
Gene

Atlantia · 12th March 2011, 04:36 PM

Hmmm, difficulty is, the top mount sits into a recess and the bottom doesn't. So it's always going to look 'fatter' than the top.
Also The horn I'm using is darker

Does this look any better?

Robert · 12th March 2011, 04:47 PM

Very nice work Gene. I do have one question though, on the few that I have seen up close the scabbard tip was open (slotted) on the bottom and I presume this was so water could drain out and not build up in the scabbard. What are your as well as everyone else's thoughts on this? Once again that is some very nice work that you have done on the restoration.

Robert

Atlantia · 12th March 2011, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Very nice work Gene. I do have one question though, on the few that I have seen up close the scabbard tip was open (slotted) on the bottom and I presume this was so water could drain out and not build up in the scabbard. What are your as well as everyone else's thoughts on this? Once again that is some very nice work that you have done on the restoration.

Robert

Hmmm, thats interesting....

I'll do more if it needs it, but all I can taste is burning hair at the moment. Working this stuff is pretty awful.

Amuk Murugul · 12th March 2011, 10:05 PM

Hullo Gene,

Great job!
Traditionally, the end of the scabbard was recessed so that the sock slipped in snugly and was pinned as necessary.
I see you already have a variety of socks as examples (they can vary in height/length; from about 0.5cm to upwards of 5cm). The main thing is, to make it aesthetically pleasing/flow.
Don't forget to clean the blade to your satisfaction and then maintain it at that level.

Best,

Battara · 13th March 2011, 12:45 AM

Nice work!

Yeah, working with horn or ivory gives off that burnt hair smell to me. Bone can too.

Atlantia · 22nd March 2011, 06:49 PM

Hi Amuk and Jose.

I've thinned it as far as I can. It's a difficult thing to get right. The lack of a rebate means that even the original piece must have looked noticably thicker than the wood.
How does this look guys?

Battara · 22nd March 2011, 07:25 PM

Looks much better now. You have done a remarkable job on this one and brought it back to its former glory.

Robert · 22nd March 2011, 07:42 PM

"Looks much better now. You have done a remarkable job on this one and brought it back to its former glory."

My thoughts exactly. You've done a wonderful job on restoring this Gene.

Robert

Mytribalworld · 22nd March 2011, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Amuk and Jose.

I've thinned it as far as I can. It's a difficult thing to get right. The lack of a rebate means that even the original piece must have looked noticably thicker than the wood.
How does this look guys?

Hi Gene,

my compliment on the work, I know how its smells ( mostly my wife and kids are not enthousiastic when I do such restores

)
about the shape ,take a good look at the pictures of the original. You made the lines straight but they should be lightly curved, I think if you can fix that It will be perfect.

Arjan

Atlantia · 22nd March 2011, 11:13 PM

Thanks Guys

Arjan,
I think you're right!
I'll get straight on it.........

Best
Gene

Nathaniel · 22nd March 2011, 11:38 PM

Great post! Good work Gene! Great constructive feedback by all! Love to see bone scabbard end fitting evolve into a more aesthetic result! Beautiful!

Battara · 23rd March 2011, 03:23 AM

Good point Arjan. I agree on the curves into the horn.

Oh yeah, I have found that when I work on ivory, horn, or sometimes even bone, there can be a definite, how could I say it..........aromatic stench!

Goes right through a mask too.

Nathaniel · 23rd March 2011, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Good point Arjan. I agree on the curves into the horn.

Oh yeah, I have found that when I work on ivory, horn, or sometimes even bone, there can be a definite, how could I say it..........aromatic stench!

Goes right through a mask too.

Bad memories of anatomy dissection lab...sawing through the cranium the saw got hot from the friction and it smelled like Doritotos....don't ask me why but that is what I remember...

Atlantia · 23rd March 2011, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathaniel

Bad memories of anatomy dissection lab...sawing through the cranium the saw got hot from the friction and it smelled like Doritotos....don't ask me why but that is what I remember...

At work, whenever I have to ring a hospital Morgue I seem to ring when they are performing a PM and can hear that awful sound in the background!!

Thanks for adding the thought of the 'scent' to it for me

Don't think I'll ever be touching a Dorito again............

Atlantia · 23rd March 2011, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathaniel

Great post! Good work Gene! Great constructive feedback by all! Love to see bone scabbard end fitting evolve into a more aesthetic result! Beautiful!

I'm hoping this now looks OK.

Two last questions:
1: Held on with horn pins like the top mount?
2: Drainage hole in the bottom?

And for comparison, here it is before the reshape:

Mytribalworld · 23rd March 2011, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

I'm hoping this now looks OK.

Two last questions:
1: Held on with horn pins like the top mount?
2: Drainage hole in the bottom?

And for comparison, here it is before the reshape:

Hi Gene,

that looks much better now ! One more question , did you also reshape the long sides or only the short ones ? ( it looks if you only did the short sides but its difficult to see)

I would say horn pins and no drainage hole....

Arjan

Atlantia · 23rd March 2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Gene,

that looks much better now ! One more question , did you also reshape the long sides or only the short ones ? ( it looks if you only did the short sides but its difficult to see)

I would say horn pins and no drainage hole....

Arjan

Hi Arjan,

I reshaped the entire piece, it's difficult to see in the pics, but I reduced the whole thing by over a third in weight.
The scabbard and the top mount both have a flat 'end' and a rounded one. So I followed that on this mount.
The scabbard isn't exactly symetrical, so this mount has to follow that slightly irregular shape (slightly flatter on one side).
Have a look at these pictures of the mount 'off' hopefully it'll show it better.
Any comments welcome.

Best
Gene

P.S. I usually enjoy making little bits for weapons, but working this substance is not enjoyable in any way.

Battara · 23rd March 2011, 11:04 PM

Yes, like it better. Again nice work.

Atlantia · 23rd March 2011, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Yes, like it better. Again nice work.

Thanks Jose

Sajen · 24th March 2011, 02:32 AM

Very well done!

kino · 24th March 2011, 02:37 AM

Very well done Atlantia.
What are you using to shape the material, a Dremel tool?

Mytribalworld · 24th March 2011, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Arjan,

I reshaped the entire piece, it's difficult to see in the pics, but I reduced the whole thing by over a third in weight.
The scabbard and the top mount both have a flat 'end' and a rounded one. So I followed that on this mount.
The scabbard isn't exactly symetrical, so this mount has to follow that slightly irregular shape (slightly flatter on one side).
Have a look at these pictures of the mount 'off' hopefully it'll show it better.
Any comments welcome.

Best
Gene

P.S. I usually enjoy making little bits for weapons, but working this substance is not enjoyable in any way.

Hi Gene,

It looks very good now ! My compliments ! Do you have rattan for the missing part ?

Arjan

Atlantia · 24th March 2011, 09:08 AM

Thanks Sajen

Kino,
I used a bench grinder to get the rough shape, then a dremel with a sandpaper cylinder grinder to shape it a bit more. Dremel with small circular cutter bit and cylinder grindstone to route it out, back to sandpaper cylinder to get the shape a bit closer, then over to hand sanding on a block and files to gradually (very, very painfully slowly) reduce the shape again and again until it's as you see now.
Polish with fine silicon carbide as if its metal.

Arjan,

Do you think the rattan would have gone all the way down?
Thats good news

Best
Gene

Mytribalworld · 24th March 2011, 10:24 AM

Arjan,

Do you think the rattan would have gone all the way down?
Thats good news

Best
Gene[/QUOTE]

Hi Gene,

yes I am sure about that and it will be the finishing touch .
do you know how to get it and make a patina on it ?

best regards,

Arjan

11th March 2011, 10:04 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Golok Pandjang Sintoeng restoration Hi all, You may remember that this sword had some scabbard issues. Hope you approve of the restoration. New scabbard end is carved from a single piece of buffalo horn. I think at the moment it needs to be a little thinner, what do you guys think? Before and after photos below> ........and after. Last edited by Atlantia; 11th March 2011 at 10:32 PM.

12th March 2011, 11:20 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thinner Agreed mate, thinner. Kind of looks like a walking aid at the moment. Gav

12th March 2011, 01:54 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,769	Good work already but agree with you and the others, work it a little bit thinner and it will fit perfect! Regards, Detlef

12th March 2011, 04:36 PM	#7
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hmmm, difficulty is, the top mount sits into a recess and the bottom doesn't. So it's always going to look 'fatter' than the top. Also The horn I'm using is darker Does this look any better?

12th March 2011, 04:47 PM	#8
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Very nice work Gene. I do have one question though, on the few that I have seen up close the scabbard tip was open (slotted) on the bottom and I presume this was so water could drain out and not build up in the scabbard. What are your as well as everyone else's thoughts on this? Once again that is some very nice work that you have done on the restoration. Robert

12th March 2011, 10:05 PM	#10
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo Gene, Great job! Traditionally, the end of the scabbard was recessed so that the sock slipped in snugly and was pinned as necessary. I see you already have a variety of socks as examples (they can vary in height/length; from about 0.5cm to upwards of 5cm). The main thing is, to make it aesthetically pleasing/flow. Don't forget to clean the blade to your satisfaction and then maintain it at that level. Best,

13th March 2011, 12:45 AM	#11
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Nice work! Yeah, working with horn or ivory gives off that burnt hair smell to me. Bone can too.

22nd March 2011, 06:49 PM	#12
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Amuk and Jose. I've thinned it as far as I can. It's a difficult thing to get right. The lack of a rebate means that even the original piece must have looked noticably thicker than the wood. How does this look guys?

22nd March 2011, 07:25 PM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Looks much better now. You have done a remarkable job on this one and brought it back to its former glory.

22nd March 2011, 07:42 PM	#14
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	"Looks much better now. You have done a remarkable job on this one and brought it back to its former glory." My thoughts exactly. You've done a wonderful job on restoring this Gene. Robert

22nd March 2011, 11:13 PM	#16
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Thanks Guys Arjan, I think you're right! I'll get straight on it......... Best Gene

22nd March 2011, 11:38 PM	#17
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Great post! Good work Gene! Great constructive feedback by all! Love to see bone scabbard end fitting evolve into a more aesthetic result! Beautiful!

23rd March 2011, 03:23 AM	#18
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Good point Arjan. I agree on the curves into the horn. Oh yeah, I have found that when I work on ivory, horn, or sometimes even bone, there can be a definite, how could I say it..........aromatic stench! Goes right through a mask too.

23rd March 2011, 11:04 PM	#24
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Yes, like it better. Again nice work.

24th March 2011, 02:32 AM	#26
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,769	Very well done!

24th March 2011, 02:37 AM	#27
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Very well done Atlantia. What are you using to shape the material, a Dremel tool?

24th March 2011, 09:08 AM	#29
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Thanks Sajen Kino, I used a bench grinder to get the rough shape, then a dremel with a sandpaper cylinder grinder to shape it a bit more. Dremel with small circular cutter bit and cylinder grindstone to route it out, back to sandpaper cylinder to get the shape a bit closer, then over to hand sanding on a block and files to gradually (very, very painfully slowly) reduce the shape again and again until it's as you see now. Polish with fine silicon carbide as if its metal. Arjan, Do you think the rattan would have gone all the way down? Thats good news Best Gene

24th March 2011, 10:24 AM	#30
Mytribalworld Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 400	Arjan, Do you think the rattan would have gone all the way down? Thats good news Best Gene[/QUOTE] Hi Gene, yes I am sure about that and it will be the finishing touch . do you know how to get it and make a patina on it ? best regards, Arjan