18th Century Katar?

Lew · 10th April 2012, 02:57 PM

Got this in a trade my friend said it is circa 18th century. It has some strange koftgari? Comments welcome

. The scabbard is newly made.

Nathaniel · 10th April 2012, 05:23 PM

Gorgeous blade, Lew! Nice newly made sheath. The koftgari is indeed an interesting pattern. Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!

Stan S. · 10th April 2012, 11:26 PM

Nice piece. Judging from the condition of coftgari I would suspect this katar being later than 18th century.

Lew · 11th April 2012, 12:44 AM

Stan

That's was my feeling 1780-90s as far as age goes?

spiral · 11th April 2012, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan S.

Nice piece. Judging from the condition of coftgari I would suspect this katar being later than 18th century.

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Originally Posted by Lew

Stan

That's was my feeling 1780-90s as far as age goes?

That is 18th century Lew.

Spiral

Stan S. · 11th April 2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by spiral

That is 18th century Lew.

Spiral

How can you tell?

Lew · 11th April 2012, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan S.

How can you tell?

The style of the blade the koftgari makes me think late 18th century to early 19th century. Jens can give me a better idea of its age since this is his area of collecting.

G. McCormack · 11th April 2012, 08:55 AM

Beautiful piece! Anyone consider the koftgari could be a recent addition?

spiral · 11th April 2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan S.

How can you tell?

Lew states it is 1780s to 1790s. So assuming thats correct it is 18th century.

After all the 18th century runs from 1700 to 1799.

Spiral

Lew · 11th April 2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by G. McCormack

Beautiful piece! Anyone consider the koftgari could be a recent addition?

I had thought did run through my mind but I noticed at the top of the side bar there is a patch of old corrosion that has eaten away the metal under the koftgari

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Stan S. · 11th April 2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spiral

Lew states it is 1780s to 1790s. So assuming thats correct it is 18th century.

After all the 18th century runs from 1700 to 1799.

Spiral

I only hope that one day I can be as knowledgeable as you.

Jens Nordlunde · 11th April 2012, 03:14 PM

Hi Lew,

It’s a nice katar you have, and I find you are on the save side when you say 18th century.

I have one decorated in the same style – in panels, although the decoration is quite different, and I can’t recall to have seen a decoration on a katar like the one on yours. This doesn’t, of course, mean anything, as there are so many different decorations, both standard and individual ones, so there will always be ‘new’ decorations even if the katar is old

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kronckew · 11th April 2012, 04:33 PM

technically the 18th century ran from 1701-1800, 19th from 1801-1900, 20th from 1901-2000. ad nauseum.

a pretty katar in any century.

RSWORD · 11th April 2012, 07:05 PM

Nice looking katar and the wootz pattern on the blade is bold and I think should clean up nicely. There is something about the color of the steel between the koftgari decorations that makes me wonder if the handle is also wootz. You may want to do a light etch in those areas to see.

Jens Nordlunde · 11th April 2012, 07:30 PM

Funny you should mention the possibility of the side guards being of wootz, as I had the same feeling, but did not mention it as I have not etched the side guards on my katar. The first question would be, 'have you etched your side guards? Why not?'

Lew · 11th April 2012, 09:09 PM

I thought about etching them but I don't really want to mess with it since I don't know what effect it will have on the gold koftgari? I do have other katar where the side bars are wootz. There is a weld from the half way point down where they finished off with some other type of steel.

spiral · 12th April 2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

technically the 18th century ran from 1701-1800, 19th from 1801-1900, 20th from 1901-2000. ad nauseum.

a pretty katar in any century.

ahh yes indeed so! Good correction!

Spiral

10th April 2012, 02:57 PM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	18th Century Katar? Got this in a trade my friend said it is circa 18th century. It has some strange koftgari? Comments welcome . The scabbard is newly made. Attached Images Last edited by Lew; 10th April 2012 at 04:39 PM.

11th April 2012, 03:14 PM	#12
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Lew, It’s a nice katar you have, and I find you are on the save side when you say 18th century. I have one decorated in the same style – in panels, although the decoration is quite different, and I can’t recall to have seen a decoration on a katar like the one on yours. This doesn’t, of course, mean anything, as there are so many different decorations, both standard and individual ones, so there will always be ‘new’ decorations even if the katar is old . Attached Images

10th April 2012, 05:23 PM	#2
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Gorgeous blade, Lew! Nice newly made sheath. The koftgari is indeed an interesting pattern. Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!

10th April 2012, 11:26 PM	#3
Stan S. Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY USA Posts: 227	Nice piece. Judging from the condition of coftgari I would suspect this katar being later than 18th century.

11th April 2012, 12:44 AM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Stan That's was my feeling 1780-90s as far as age goes?

11th April 2012, 08:55 AM	#8
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Beautiful piece! Anyone consider the koftgari could be a recent addition?

11th April 2012, 04:33 PM	#13
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	technically the 18th century ran from 1701-1800, 19th from 1801-1900, 20th from 1901-2000. ad nauseum. a pretty katar in any century.

11th April 2012, 07:05 PM	#14
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,084	Nice looking katar and the wootz pattern on the blade is bold and I think should clean up nicely. There is something about the color of the steel between the koftgari decorations that makes me wonder if the handle is also wootz. You may want to do a light etch in those areas to see.

11th April 2012, 07:30 PM	#15
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Funny you should mention the possibility of the side guards being of wootz, as I had the same feeling, but did not mention it as I have not etched the side guards on my katar. The first question would be, 'have you etched your side guards? Why not?'

11th April 2012, 09:09 PM	#16
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	I thought about etching them but I don't really want to mess with it since I don't know what effect it will have on the gold koftgari? I do have other katar where the side bars are wootz. There is a weld from the half way point down where they finished off with some other type of steel.