Kurdish, Turkish, Balkan Jambiya (and Wootz)

Atlantia · 23rd April 2011, 12:57 PM

Hi All,

I've had a few of these and I'm interested to identify the (presumably) region specific variations.
Here is my favourite (Turkish Kurd?), Silver coin decorations (Turkish coins?).
Blade seems to be wootz, with just visible patterns and shiny carbides.
I had one that had a very 'ottoman' style scabbard with repousse brass end and coiled wire 'spring' style seam on the leather.
Also of course there is the familiar Kurdish types with this sort of scabbard...

Anyway, commects on mine please, and information on specific identifications.

Dom · 23rd April 2011, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi all
Anyway, commects on mine please, and information on specific identifications.

Hi ... alone

- I like it, very nice dagger
- without doubt .. Kurdish

- in reference to:
"weapons of the Islamic world" - "Swords & Armour", exactly same dagger, excepted: one coin (?) less
[quote on] "Baghdadi" dagger - The blade is in watered steel, the hilt in buffalo horn, and the scabbard in shagreen leather. This type of dagger is still used in Al-Jazira, or North-West Mesopotamia, Syria, and Iraq [quote off]

- in reference to:
"Les Armes Orientales" (Iaroslav Lebedynsky), exactly same dagger, excepted: scabbard tip (bouterolle) in metal, [quote on] travail du Kurdistan occidental (Turquie actuelle). XIXè siècle - Longueur 37cm [quote off] Production Western Kurdistan (Turkey). 19th century - Length 37cm

- in reference to:
"Islamic Weapons" (C. Tirri)], exactly same dagger (x2), excepted: one without coin, other only one coin [quote on] Kurdistan daggers of present day Northern Iraq 19th/early 20th century [quote off]

here ... mine

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=Kurdish
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Dom

Norman McCormick · 23rd April 2011, 06:33 PM

Hi,
Another with a different hilt material.
Regards,
Norman.

Dom · 23rd April 2011, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi,
Another with a different hilt material.
Regards,
Norman.

Hi Norman
other material, but same "data" than all described

the hilt is more unusual, very pleasant, I like it

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Dom

Norman McCormick · 23rd April 2011, 06:47 PM

Hi Dom,
Thanks for the info and I'm pleased you like it.

My Regards,
Norman.

Atlantia · 28th April 2011, 09:09 PM

Thanks for the replies gentlemen.
What I'm trying to do is see if there is a way to identify region specific features within the variations of these daggers.

The generic type is Kurdish but clearly there are very specific sub-types.

For instance, the dagger I have pictured has four Silver Turkish coins, so is presumably Turkish-Kurd.

23rd April 2011, 12:57 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Kurdish, Turkish, Balkan Jambiya (and Wootz) Hi All, I've had a few of these and I'm interested to identify the (presumably) region specific variations. Here is my favourite (Turkish Kurd?), Silver coin decorations (Turkish coins?). Blade seems to be wootz, with just visible patterns and shiny carbides. I had one that had a very 'ottoman' style scabbard with repousse brass end and coiled wire 'spring' style seam on the leather. Also of course there is the familiar Kurdish types with this sort of scabbard... Anyway, commects on mine please, and information on specific identifications. Attached Images

23rd April 2011, 06:33 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	Hi, Another with a different hilt material. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

23rd April 2011, 06:47 PM	#5
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	Hi Dom, Thanks for the info and I'm pleased you like it. My Regards, Norman.

28th April 2011, 09:09 PM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Thanks for the replies gentlemen. What I'm trying to do is see if there is a way to identify region specific features within the variations of these daggers. The generic type is Kurdish but clearly there are very specific sub-types. For instance, the dagger I have pictured has four Silver Turkish coins, so is presumably Turkish-Kurd.