19th July 2008, 05:37 PM | #1 |
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ivory balinees
this one I have new to my collection
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19th July 2008, 07:02 PM | #2 |
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Newly made?
It's a nice keris but I have that "gut"feeling there's something strange going on with that pamor. Please tell me I'm wrong... |
19th July 2008, 07:13 PM | #3 |
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Hilt looks like Vishnu....
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The blade seems older but may not be Balinese?
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19th July 2008, 08:58 PM | #7 |
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this is one old blade with pamor wilang senduk
and the hild is parasvati and it is a balinees blade |
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Yep, Parasvati (or Sarasvati)...that would explain the breasts. ...and the other symbolism. From Wikipedia: She is shown to hold the following in her hands: A book, which is the sacred Vedas, representing the universal, divine, eternal, and true knowledge as well as her perfection of the sciences and the scriptures. A mala (rosary) of crystals, representing the power of meditation and spirituality. A pot of sacred water, representing creative and purificatory powers. The vina, a musical instrument that represents her perfection of all arts and sciences. Saraswati is also associated with anurāga, the love for and rhythm of music which represents all emotions and feelings expressed in speech or music. It is believed that children born with that name will prove to be very lucky in their studies. A white swan is often located next to her feet. The sacred swan, if offered a mixture of milk and water, is said to be able to drink the milk alone. The swan thus symbolizes discrimination between the good and the bad or the eternal and the evanescent. Due to her association with the swan, Goddess Saraswati is also referred to as Hamsa-vahini, which means "she who has a swan as her vehicle". |
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Ok It's Balinese! I am more familar with different styles probably from Lombak That is why I stopped collecting keris too many styles and regions to remember and not enough brains cells left in my head to store all this information
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19th July 2008, 10:02 PM | #10 |
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Don't worry Lew, i don't think any of us really have enough brain cells to store all the information on the incredible variance of keris styles of both blade and dress.
Oh, and if you are really finished collecting keris i think i recall that you have at least a couple of nice ones that you should send over my way. You know the address... |
20th July 2008, 03:34 AM | #11 |
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Unusual .. To Me
I don't think I've ever seen that type of gandar on Bali dress .
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20th July 2008, 04:43 AM | #12 |
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Hmmm... what accounts for the interesting caramel-brown colouration on parts of the hilt, I wonder?
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Hello Hans,
I have no knowledge to add, but I have the feeling I've seen and hold this one before........ Regards and have a nice birthday-party next saturday, Maurice |
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Smoky (fumigation) way is normally way that people in Bali/Lombok coloring their bone or ivory hilt to get caramel-brown or even antik dark-brown look. |
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I might be done with collecting keris for now but as they say "I ain't dead yet" Lew |
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But new or old, bone or ivory, it is attractive and well executed. |
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20th July 2008, 08:43 PM | #19 |
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From experience, some guys out there in lombok specially, turn the gandar from bugis-sumbawa keris (with javanese keris blade) into balinese keris look only in one day because there are some a month tourist came and interest with balinese keris complete with all those bling bling (ivory,silver,gold etc ).
I interest too sometime so far the keris look nice :-) So..base on that experience, the gandar on this keris is actually belong keris bugis or keris bugis-sumbawa. I never see OLD balinenese keris sheath (gandar) with three small silver stripe line decoration. That is my opinion about this keris. Hey, the keris perabot look nice well made. |
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Very true David - the selut is not traditional Balinese.
You also bring up an interesting point about the smoking - if this were truly an old hilt, for example, then the low spots and not just the raised portions would be darkened. |
21st July 2008, 02:21 AM | #21 |
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The buntut is quite outside my experience with Bali dress .
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