Jezail Indentification Help

Patsy57 · 7th April 2010, 04:37 PM

I recently acquired this Jezail from a relative who passed on. It is a very important piece to me because it was inherited. I am trying to identify where this piece is from and any information I can find on it will be greatly appreciated. Attached are the photos I have taken some are better than others your help and expertise in this matter is greatly appreciated!

Rick · 7th April 2010, 11:19 PM

Pictures ?

Patsy57 · 8th April 2010, 03:57 PM

more pics

ward · 8th April 2010, 04:31 PM

That piece is from Sind and is the best one of these I have ever seen. Most of these pieces of this form are very plain. This looks like a presentation piece I suspect that it has a very nice damascus barrel, but would need to see better closups.

Dom · 8th April 2010, 04:45 PM

Hi Patsy57
very nice Afghan Jezail flintlock, very clean
made in the Sind area around Pakistan and Afghanistan - Late 18th century -
may be the flintlock system could be imported (English ?)

a focus image of the coin embedded, could might be give a chance for a translation

à +

Dom

Patsy57 · 8th April 2010, 05:35 PM

OK now my interest is really peaked. What other pics would you guys like to see? Is there anyway to really bring out the Damascus barrel without hurting the firearm?

Who can I get to translate the medallion?

What is the value of something like this?

How do we know this is from the Sind area?

Rick · 8th April 2010, 05:50 PM

I'm sorry but appraisals are not publicly given on this forum .

Perhaps someone might offer a valuation via Private Message .

Marc · 8th April 2010, 05:57 PM

Plus, either I'm missing something (I'm totally out of my area, here), the pics are inverted, or the gun is made for a left-handed shooter...

Patsy57 · 8th April 2010, 06:00 PM

Not looking for an appraisal just some kind of value but I understand.

The Jezail is a left hand version.

Dom · 8th April 2010, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patsy57

Who can I get to translate the medallion?

here we are able for a lot

we've plenty tricks

but .... as far as it's written in arabic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patsy57

How do we know this is from the Sind area?

just by refering to our documentation

it's incredible what we might found in books
when specialized in "islamic weapons"

sometimes, we've our own experience who play also

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Dom

fernando · 8th April 2010, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc

Plus, either I'm missing something (I'm totally out of my area, here), the pics are inverted, or the gun is made for a left-handed shooter...

Oh, you were faster than me

Patsy57 · 8th April 2010, 11:47 PM

Dom, What books do you suggest looking into that speak about the Afghan Jezail or the Sindh jezail? Any insight is greatly appreciated.

Dom · 9th April 2010, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patsy57

Dom, What books do you suggest looking into that speak about the Afghan Jezail or the Sindh jezail? Any insight is greatly appreciated.

for instance
"Islamic Weapons" - Maghrib to Moghul by Anthony C. Tirri
ISBN 0-9747192-7-7

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Dom

Patsy57 · 9th April 2010, 03:17 AM

Here is a larger picture of the medallion.

Marc · 9th April 2010, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Oh, you were faster than me

Gotcha!

Patsy57 · 9th April 2010, 08:31 PM

Any ideas on the seal? What it says? I am continuing to look and try to have translated.

Patsy57 · 9th April 2010, 10:53 PM

Going from left to right and top to bottom I can decipher "Hamid Abud" but that is only part of the top line and I cannot seem to get the rest. Any help once again is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Atlantia · 9th April 2010, 11:26 PM

Hi Patsy,
I think I'm seeing a date: 1204 (the 4 is a bit indistinct... might be a 6)
I believe that would equate to: 1790 Gregorian.
Which would fit perfectly with Doms estimation of age for the piece.
Its a lovely gun.
Can we see a picture of the whole thing?

Regards
Gene

Dom · 10th April 2010, 01:56 AM

Hi

I didn't get the translation completly, because it's "farsi" language
Arabic alphabet, but not Arabic language

it's little bite like a rebus ...

words are in all directions

up the lign
- 1207 either 1792 Gregorian
- MOHAMED
- ABAD could be a name
- the left part it's illegible

down the lign
- CIRKAR (I thought in farsi) "country"
- KHALKHAN either KhalKhan - Badakhshan Afghanistan
Badakhshan (Persian: بدخشان - Badakhshān) is one of the 34 provinces of Afghanistan

all what is in above must be corrected and approved by a Persian or Patchou reader

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Dom

Patsy57 · 10th April 2010, 05:22 AM

That`s fantastic! Well Its a great start guys I really appreciate the help! Here are some pics of the entire firearm. Any other help is greatly appreciated!

Patsy57 · 11th April 2010, 06:57 PM

Does anyone know a good Persian or Patchou reader? Or an Appraiser on these types of firearms in the NYC area?

Dom · 11th April 2010, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patsy57

Does anyone know a good Persian or Patchou reader? Or an Appraiser on these types of firearms in the NYC area?

a track for translation ??
Afghan Communicator
59-26 48 Avenue
Woodside, NY 11377

a track for appraisal ??
results of auctions
http://www.auctionsimperial.com/

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Dom

7th April 2010, 04:37 PM	#1
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	Jezail Indentification Help I recently acquired this Jezail from a relative who passed on. It is a very important piece to me because it was inherited. I am trying to identify where this piece is from and any information I can find on it will be greatly appreciated. Attached are the photos I have taken some are better than others your help and expertise in this matter is greatly appreciated! Attached Images Last edited by Patsy57; 8th April 2010 at 03:33 PM. Reason: pictures

8th April 2010, 03:57 PM	#3
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	more pics Attached Images

9th April 2010, 03:17 AM	#14
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	Here is a larger picture of the medallion. Attached Images

10th April 2010, 01:56 AM	#19
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi I didn't get the translation completly, because it's "farsi" language Arabic alphabet, but not Arabic language it's little bite like a rebus ... words are in all directions up the lign - 1207 either 1792 Gregorian - MOHAMED - ABAD could be a name - the left part it's illegible down the lign - CIRKAR (I thought in farsi) "country" - KHALKHAN either KhalKhan - Badakhshan Afghanistan Badakhshan (Persian: بدخشان - Badakhshān) is one of the 34 provinces of Afghanistan all what is in above must be corrected and approved by a Persian or Patchou reader à + Dom Attached Images

10th April 2010, 05:22 AM	#20
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	That`s fantastic! Well Its a great start guys I really appreciate the help! Here are some pics of the entire firearm. Any other help is greatly appreciated! Attached Images

7th April 2010, 11:19 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Pictures ?

8th April 2010, 04:31 PM	#4
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	That piece is from Sind and is the best one of these I have ever seen. Most of these pieces of this form are very plain. This looks like a presentation piece I suspect that it has a very nice damascus barrel, but would need to see better closups.

8th April 2010, 04:45 PM	#5
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi Patsy57 very nice Afghan Jezail flintlock, very clean made in the Sind area around Pakistan and Afghanistan - Late 18th century - may be the flintlock system could be imported (English ?) a focus image of the coin embedded, could might be give a chance for a translation à + Dom

8th April 2010, 05:35 PM	#6
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	OK now my interest is really peaked. What other pics would you guys like to see? Is there anyway to really bring out the Damascus barrel without hurting the firearm? Who can I get to translate the medallion? What is the value of something like this? How do we know this is from the Sind area?

8th April 2010, 05:50 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	I'm sorry but appraisals are not publicly given on this forum . Perhaps someone might offer a valuation via Private Message .

8th April 2010, 05:57 PM	#8
Marc Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Madrid / Barcelona Posts: 256	Plus, either I'm missing something (I'm totally out of my area, here), the pics are inverted, or the gun is made for a left-handed shooter...

8th April 2010, 06:00 PM	#9
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	Not looking for an appraisal just some kind of value but I understand. The Jezail is a left hand version.

8th April 2010, 11:47 PM	#12
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	Dom, What books do you suggest looking into that speak about the Afghan Jezail or the Sindh jezail? Any insight is greatly appreciated.

9th April 2010, 08:31 PM	#16
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	Any ideas on the seal? What it says? I am continuing to look and try to have translated.

9th April 2010, 10:53 PM	#17
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	Going from left to right and top to bottom I can decipher "Hamid Abud" but that is only part of the top line and I cannot seem to get the rest. Any help once again is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

9th April 2010, 11:26 PM	#18
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Patsy, I think I'm seeing a date: 1204 (the 4 is a bit indistinct... might be a 6) I believe that would equate to: 1790 Gregorian. Which would fit perfectly with Doms estimation of age for the piece. Its a lovely gun. Can we see a picture of the whole thing? Regards Gene

11th April 2010, 06:57 PM	#21
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	Does anyone know a good Persian or Patchou reader? Or an Appraiser on these types of firearms in the NYC area?