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I just acquired what I believe to be a toy petronel, dating from the 17th century but that is about everything I know about it. Does anybody know what half the 17th century this could date from judging by the shape of the pommel ? Look forward to hearing any information.
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Congratulations on a very rare example. From the attached you can see that it once had a fully functional matchlock firing mechanism , now missing. Looking on the PAS database you will see plenty of other examples which usually have only the flash pan for manual ignition. The petronel form seems to have persisted probably into the eighteenth century but I am confident that your example is certainly early seventeenth century although you could argue the ball but makes it possibly late sixteenth century.
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Wow that’s incredible. All of the other examples I have seen have the same shaped pommel as the one you pictured but I haven’t seen one with a round ball but before. late 16th century would be quite amazing
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hello
I think this is a toy and for that reason, it is missing the lid of the bowl (bread) affectionately |
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Yes it is a toy as I stated in the title
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if anyones wondering about the strange shape of the end of the barrel on the second example this is actually the end of the ramrod which is reversed and screwed into the barrel Last edited by Raf; 1st August 2022 at 12:09 PM. Reason: additional information. |
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In one of my drawers I found a toy miniature of a matchlock pistol unfortunately missing the cock. It is 77 mm long and made of bronce. The former owner once told me that this item has been found in the mud of the river Thames near London.
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The ball but on this one looks completely wrong.
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Corrado did you get yours from the original finder as I see someone online is selling re casts of an original that are identical to your example ?
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I got it some years ago from a collector friend, but do not know where it came from, sorry.
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Raf, would these more complex toy petronels have been quite a high end toy at the time ? As I can’t imagine these being cheap when first produced ?
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Sound advice |
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Yes I’ve heard that they have found some in the Thames. My example was found in a field near Newbury, Berkshire in England. I am also in the process of purchasing one found in Scotland so it seems they were produced all throughout the UK.
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Raf I believe there is less shot half way still stuck in the barrel, is there a way to try and get this out ?
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To remove the stuck ball.. If it is lead you can use a special tool to remove the stuck lead ball it is like a corkscrew on a cleaning rod.. But these are made only in large sizes.. I dont know the bore size.. If its lightly stuck in a small bore you can take an aircompressor nozzle make a tight seal on the touch hole and fire a shot of compressed air down the barrel.. It will work especially if you put some fine machine oil or wd40 down first. Put a little at both the touch hole and the muzzel and then send the air down.. You can also loosen it by putting some cleaning liquid down and boiling the gun in how water then oil.. Then compressed air.. Keep you eyes clear of the muzzel....
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