STRANGE HANDLE S MORO KRIS

Dajak · 16th December 2007, 06:43 PM

Rare type off handle s
anyone see these before ????

Ben

VVV · 16th December 2007, 07:28 PM

Yes,

But only on pictures from the previous owner of those unique Kris ("WV" if I remember correctly).

Michael

Dajak · 16th December 2007, 08:51 PM

Hi Michael this is the one that you remember as the full brass handle ?

Yes these are from his collection .

The one below the top Looks like it is Rhino .

Ben

VVV · 16th December 2007, 09:14 PM

Hi Ben,

Yes that was the one I had in my head.
I suspect that it might be around Brunei-area as the handle somehow resembles the Pedang, that also has full brass handle. [Pedang is the swords that looks like the Batak Piso Podang but were also produced (mostly in Brunei), and used, on Borneo...].

Michael

kai · 16th December 2007, 09:56 PM

Hello Ben,

Thanks for sharing! Could you post some more close-ups of these pieces, please?

Can you find any indications that the construction of the full brass hilt allows the use of asang-asang (those "clamps" at the base of the blade)? If not, this wouldn't point to a Moro ensemble AFAIK (could be a trade blade though).

Regards,
Kai

Dajak · 17th December 2007, 05:23 PM

Hi Kai no clamps but it is an moro keris blade

Ben

kai · 1st January 2008, 10:09 PM

Hello Ben,

Quote:

no clamps but it is an moro keris blade

I'm not sure what you mean: I see that all these are what would be referred to as Keris Sundang in Indonesia (regardless if locally produced or traded from what is now part of the Philippines) and commonly referred as Kris by many members of this forum.

What I was getting at is that the piece with brass hilt doesn't look like a kris like it would be expected to be worn by one of the Moro ethnic groups from the Philippines AFAIK. On the other hand, Keris Sundang are not rarely seen without Asang-asang in Indonesia. Michael's interesting suggestion for a Brunei origin is nicely linking brass hilt workmanship, too.

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 2nd January 2008, 08:05 PM

I agree with Kai in that this is not the usual brass work hilt. Not even the Lumad peoples do this type of brass work for their hilts that they put on kris blades. Brunei, huh? Did not know that they used Sundang, do they?

Dajak · 2nd January 2008, 09:22 PM

Hi Battara the even might make handle s for parang nabur and some mandau s have brass Handlles .

Ben

16th December 2007, 06:43 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	STRANGE HANDLE S MORO KRIS Rare type off handle s anyone see these before ???? Ben Attached Images

16th December 2007, 08:51 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael this is the one that you remember as the full brass handle ? Yes these are from his collection . The one below the top Looks like it is Rhino . Ben Last edited by Dajak; 16th December 2007 at 09:08 PM.

16th December 2007, 07:28 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Yes, But only on pictures from the previous owner of those unique Kris ("WV" if I remember correctly). Michael

16th December 2007, 09:14 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, Yes that was the one I had in my head. I suspect that it might be around Brunei-area as the handle somehow resembles the Pedang, that also has full brass handle. [Pedang is the swords that looks like the Batak Piso Podang but were also produced (mostly in Brunei), and used, on Borneo...]. Michael

16th December 2007, 09:56 PM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Ben, Thanks for sharing! Could you post some more close-ups of these pieces, please? Can you find any indications that the construction of the full brass hilt allows the use of asang-asang (those "clamps" at the base of the blade)? If not, this wouldn't point to a Moro ensemble AFAIK (could be a trade blade though). Regards, Kai

17th December 2007, 05:23 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Kai no clamps but it is an moro keris blade Ben

2nd January 2008, 08:05 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	I agree with Kai in that this is not the usual brass work hilt. Not even the Lumad peoples do this type of brass work for their hilts that they put on kris blades. Brunei, huh? Did not know that they used Sundang, do they?

2nd January 2008, 09:22 PM	#9
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Battara the even might make handle s for parang nabur and some mandau s have brass Handlles . Ben