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Hello, I have watched this auction and see that I will get the chance to do my next good bargain,so I give a moderate bid and win again. I think that it is a Sulu kris with a late 19th c. blade and maybe newer fittings. Until now I don't receiced it and only have the poor picture from the seller.
Here the link:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT What do you think? Detlef |
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![]() ![]() Congratulations on this piece. The blade at least is Maguindanao and older. The scabbard is later WWII. Need to see close ups of the hilt, but the pommel is made of banati (burled) wood of some kind. Shame the scabbard is damaged, that MOP is lovely. |
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![]() My guess that it is a Sulu kris was founded by the horse hoof pommel since Cato write that this is typical for Sulu. ![]() That the sheat is from WWII was clear. |
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Hello Detlef,
Looks like a nice blade again! Horse hoof pommel are often found on Sulu kris but not limited to that region. Please post close-ups when you receive it. Regards, Kai |
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Yeah Sajen, you're sick alright...
![]() ![]() I suggest that you just pack up all these Moro thingies that you have been picking up and mail them straight to me. ![]() I was watching this auction as well, but i tend to like my kris complete and the broken sheath bothered me. I'd say you got a good deal though and the kris itself is a nice one. I agree with José that the blade looks Maguindanao, but i think it was rehilted at some time and the sheath is certainly newer than the blade. Nice catch! Love to see it cleaned up. ![]() |
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Another thing to consider is that there was a lot of trade between the Sulu people and the Maguindanao. This includes blades as well. I have seen Sulu hilts on Maguindanao and visa versa. No surprise here. Might also explain the form of WWII scabbard used as well.
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thank you. I still have to learn. You all have to explain one time how you can see by the "elephant trunk" from which tribe the blade forged. When I received the kris I will post some close-ups. Regards, Detlef |
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normally I also look for complete kris, i.e. with unbroken sheath and easy restoreable but the price have been very low so I try a bid. ![]() ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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this seems to be a very logical statement. ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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It seems to be a lot of sword for the money! I've always wanted one of these. If I'd known they could be picked up so cheap now, I'd be bidding ......
Well, that is if eBay didn't block bids from the UK on such things now ![]() Nice looking sword, congratulations ![]() |
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![]() Best regards, Detlef |
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@ sajen: congrats! looks like a thick blade, I think it is going to have "sandwich pamor" like the other one. |
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Today I received the kris, with the kris I am very pleased but the sheath is in very poor condition like already to seen on the pictures from the seller. There is no mother of pearl but maybe have been there before?
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Well looks like a true separable ganga - good for you!
On the scabbard, looks like it had horn. |
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BTW, I have cleaned the handle and polished the blade and think that I will etch the blade tomorrow. Here a pic of the cleaned handle. Regards, Detlef |
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Nice. Yeah looking again at the front of the scabbard, I agree that it might have had MOP surrounding the little section of horn.
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My question about the new affliction is with all those Keris, where are you now going to keep these Moro Kris.....
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Hello Gav, don't worry, there is still a lot of space at my walls! ![]() ![]() ![]() Detlef |
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Hello Detlef, My congratulations on this very nice addition to your collection. If by some chance you find you do not have enough space to display it please feel free to send it to me.
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Thank you Robert and be sure that you will find by time a very nice kris for your great Philippine collection!
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Have etched the blade this evening and it schows a similar lamination like the last one. Is this a very common lamination by philippine kris blades?
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Actually yes, it is a common lamination pattern for many Moro pieces, especially after 1800.
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