Help for markings on barrels

LPCA · 25th February 2009, 01:09 PM

Bonjour, friends.
Maybe this forum is not the right place for this thread. Anyway, i try...
Problem is writings on barrels.
One is a Abou Fitila musquet of Arabic Peninsula and the other, his brother Indo-Arab musquet of Malabar coast (south India) .
Same size for their barrels, mostly the same construction - octogonal with a tuliped mouth - engravings with copper (AF) and silver (IA) - caliber 16mm (AF) and 17mm (IA).
On each one, at the same place, there is a writing seeming to be différent, but giving indication of an oriental provenance.
Arabs used to import barrels due to the lack of iron ( from Persia, India, ...) while India made them.
Maybe these 2 barrels are from indian provenance.

Is there someone able to traduce these writings?

To see description in french (none's perfect!), please clic on:
http://blade.japet.com/B-aboufitila.htm
http://blade.japet.com/B-indoarab.htm

Merci
Louis-Pierre

Jens Nordlunde · 25th February 2009, 04:55 PM

LPCA,
I don't think I can help you, but please show the stamps in the way they are located on the barrels - maybe it helps, and maybe not.
Jens

LPCA · 25th February 2009, 05:19 PM

You are right, Jens. Here under the way to the mouth. Louis-Pierre

Jens Nordlunde · 25th February 2009, 08:27 PM

Hello Louis-Pierre,
To my opinion the stamps should turn this way.
I cant say that I see any writing in the signs, maybe others, with a bigger knowledge than mine does, but to me they are smith's marks, or maybe armoury marks - although I think they are smith's marks.
My guess would be, although it is very far fetched, be to try to have a look at the marks from Gujarat and that area, south west Rajasthan - but at the same time, I tell you it is a wild guess, and it may be wrong.
Jens

ward · 25th February 2009, 10:55 PM

Signature on the right reads Work of Hassan, the one of the left may be Work of Halui but hard to say from these pics

LPCA · 26th February 2009, 07:07 AM

Bonjour,

Yes, Jens, you are right : they are deeply stamped smith's marks and the reading sens is now the right one too.

Thanks to Ward for his translations and i apologize for the lack of sharpness of the pics, as you imagine, never easy to catch.

Ward, are they arabic characters?

It is very possible that these barrels had been made by Moslem craftsmen (Arabic or Indians) in South of India.

With my sincere thanks to you both.
Louis-Pierre

LPCA · 26th February 2009, 07:26 AM

Ward, here is another pics that may help you.
Louis-Pierre

ward · 1st March 2009, 12:46 AM

Yes, they are Arabic. Maker's name preceded by 'Aml, which means Work of.
Still looks like Halui to me

LPCA · 1st March 2009, 05:01 AM

Thanks for care, Ward.

May i ask you to traduce an arabic word marked on the barrel of another Jezaïl on my thread Help for ID - Afghan musket .
Here is the adress for the pics.
http://blade.japet.com/B-afghan.htm

Thanks again.
Louis-Pierre

ward · 3rd March 2009, 06:26 AM

Looks like a name but you need to take a clearer pic pls

LPCA · 3rd March 2009, 06:55 AM

Hello, Ward.

I shall do my best to provide a clearer closer pics. Not easy as you imagine....

Maybe you can have a glance to my other thread which is Help for ID - Afghan musquet.

I join a pics of this writing and you would help me greatly to try to translate it.
Maybe it's the craftman's name, maybe it's a city's name...

See U.
Louis-Pierre

LPCA · 3rd March 2009, 09:17 AM

Hi, Ward.

I join clearer pics (i hope).
Tell me more pls.

Louis-Pierre

25th February 2009, 01:09 PM	#1
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Help for markings on barrels Bonjour, friends. Maybe this forum is not the right place for this thread. Anyway, i try... Problem is writings on barrels. One is a Abou Fitila musquet of Arabic Peninsula and the other, his brother Indo-Arab musquet of Malabar coast (south India) . Same size for their barrels, mostly the same construction - octogonal with a tuliped mouth - engravings with copper (AF) and silver (IA) - caliber 16mm (AF) and 17mm (IA). On each one, at the same place, there is a writing seeming to be différent, but giving indication of an oriental provenance. Arabs used to import barrels due to the lack of iron ( from Persia, India, ...) while India made them. Maybe these 2 barrels are from indian provenance. Is there someone able to traduce these writings? To see description in french (none's perfect!), please clic on: http://blade.japet.com/B-aboufitila.htm http://blade.japet.com/B-indoarab.htm Merci Louis-Pierre Attached Images

25th February 2009, 05:19 PM	#3
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	You are right, Jens. Here under the way to the mouth. Louis-Pierre Attached Images

25th February 2009, 08:27 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hello Louis-Pierre, To my opinion the stamps should turn this way. I cant say that I see any writing in the signs, maybe others, with a bigger knowledge than mine does, but to me they are smith's marks, or maybe armoury marks - although I think they are smith's marks. My guess would be, although it is very far fetched, be to try to have a look at the marks from Gujarat and that area, south west Rajasthan - but at the same time, I tell you it is a wild guess, and it may be wrong. Jens Attached Images

26th February 2009, 07:26 AM	#7
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Ward, here is another pics that may help you. Louis-Pierre Attached Images

3rd March 2009, 06:55 AM	#11
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Hello, Ward. I shall do my best to provide a clearer closer pics. Not easy as you imagine.... Maybe you can have a glance to my other thread which is Help for ID - Afghan musquet. I join a pics of this writing and you would help me greatly to try to translate it. Maybe it's the craftman's name, maybe it's a city's name... See U. Louis-Pierre Attached Images

25th February 2009, 04:55 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	LPCA, I don't think I can help you, but please show the stamps in the way they are located on the barrels - maybe it helps, and maybe not. Jens

25th February 2009, 10:55 PM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Signature on the right reads Work of Hassan, the one of the left may be Work of Halui but hard to say from these pics

26th February 2009, 07:07 AM	#6
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Bonjour, Yes, Jens, you are right : they are deeply stamped smith's marks and the reading sens is now the right one too. Thanks to Ward for his translations and i apologize for the lack of sharpness of the pics, as you imagine, never easy to catch. Ward, are they arabic characters? It is very possible that these barrels had been made by Moslem craftsmen (Arabic or Indians) in South of India. With my sincere thanks to you both. Louis-Pierre

1st March 2009, 12:46 AM	#8
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Yes, they are Arabic. Maker's name preceded by 'Aml, which means Work of. Still looks like Halui to me

1st March 2009, 05:01 AM	#9
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Thanks for care, Ward. May i ask you to traduce an arabic word marked on the barrel of another Jezaïl on my thread Help for ID - Afghan musket . Here is the adress for the pics. http://blade.japet.com/B-afghan.htm Thanks again. Louis-Pierre

3rd March 2009, 06:26 AM	#10
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Looks like a name but you need to take a clearer pic pls

3rd March 2009, 09:17 AM	#12
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Hi, Ward. I join clearer pics (i hope). Tell me more pls. Louis-Pierre Attached Images