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Rivkin · 30th June 2005, 12:42 AM

Sorry for posting pictures that can not obviously compare with most of the stuff posted here, but due to the recent interest in mongolian/tatar weaponry:

First are the pictures from Warsaw museum's catalogue.

Rivkin · 30th June 2005, 12:43 AM

part II

Rivkin · 30th June 2005, 12:44 AM

Now some illustration from V.M.Gorelik's book on tatars:

Rivkin · 30th June 2005, 12:46 AM

some shoes

Rivkin · 30th June 2005, 12:48 AM

previous pictures show not only tatar sabres but also early mongolian straight swords. And finally:

B.I · 30th June 2005, 01:20 AM

hi,
great post and wonderful images.
i must say, though, all the pieces are not in the warsaw museum.
the first image (helmet mask) is in khalilis collection and was bought in england in the mid eighties. the second (helmet) and third (shield) is owned privately in england and i've seen both when they were in london. another helmet (image 6) is also in the same collection.
all great pieces and i must say this post is long overdue

Aqtai · 30th June 2005, 10:36 AM

I think i'm having a heart attack... sensory overload...

Great pictures, thank you!

Here is my humble contribution:

Just a couple of comments; that helmet in Japan, the shape and the peak remind me of Ottoman and Mamluk chichaks. This makes me wonder if the chichak was influenced by Mongol styles. Finally I have just noticed how the Mongols in the west, i.e. Polish and Lithuanian Tatars adopted Caucasian and Ottoman styles of armour, whereas Tibet, which was no longer ruled by the Mongols in the 19th century, still used traditional lamellar armour.

30th June 2005, 12:42 AM	#1
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	have you joined the HORDE ? Sorry for posting pictures that can not obviously compare with most of the stuff posted here, but due to the recent interest in mongolian/tatar weaponry: First are the pictures from Warsaw museum's catalogue. Attached Images

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Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	part II Attached Images

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Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Now some illustration from V.M.Gorelik's book on tatars: Attached Images

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Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	some shoes Attached Images

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Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	previous pictures show not only tatar sabres but also early mongolian straight swords. And finally: Attached Images

30th June 2005, 01:20 AM	#6
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi, great post and wonderful images. i must say, though, all the pieces are not in the warsaw museum. the first image (helmet mask) is in khalilis collection and was bought in england in the mid eighties. the second (helmet) and third (shield) is owned privately in england and i've seen both when they were in london. another helmet (image 6) is also in the same collection. all great pieces and i must say this post is long overdue

30th June 2005, 10:36 AM	#7
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	I think i'm having a heart attack... sensory overload... Great pictures, thank you! Here is my humble contribution: Just a couple of comments; that helmet in Japan, the shape and the peak remind me of Ottoman and Mamluk chichaks. This makes me wonder if the chichak was influenced by Mongol styles. Finally I have just noticed how the Mongols in the west, i.e. Polish and Lithuanian Tatars adopted Caucasian and Ottoman styles of armour, whereas Tibet, which was no longer ruled by the Mongols in the 19th century, still used traditional lamellar armour.