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while i normally do not collect kris, i've been looking for a small one that looked more like a user than a ritual one, i've got a nice straight bladed maduran kris in pamour but wanted one that was a bit more functional & with a few luks.
picked this one up cheaply on e-pray yesterday, it's in the white as i understand northern malaysian prefer. is this one 'vintage' (i gather that means pre-1970) or is it a tourist flavour? should i try a lime juice clean? Item number: 140154050586 |
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I always wondered what was mend by "vintage" Now i know
In my opinion this is a touristic piece indeed. But for decoration purpase not too bad. According to the photo's the blade seems to be made of one piece iron( no separate gandja), which is not (patern) welded. I think in this case it would not be to bad to try to get some welding out, if its there of course whith lemon lime; Its better to try it with this kind of stuff than taking the risk of destroing a good keris.... It wil give you some experience about etching. Try to brush it with a toothbrush for a couple of days, over and over again, till you see a patern. For the exact cleaning and edge of the blade you can find all about in aerlier topics greetings Martin |
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While cleaning regarded as appretiation by the native, I don't think it is not for 'vintage' collector as you are
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well, it arrived this morning, one piece blade shows distinctive signs of being forged, and has faint signs of lamination tho i do not think there is any pamour, but is reasonably crudely done and is more obviously a tourist piece, the lines suggesting a 'ganja' are filed in.. the grip is permanently attached to the blade, pendongkok one piece. the blade is 4mm. thick at the ganja near the tang. the sampir is made out of a decent looking grained wood, with a horn end piece. wood pegs are apparent holding it all together. fits the blade nicely.
as i bought this one to play with, i'll probably give it a light cleaning and etch to see if there is anything there, but i will not go overboard. there is some patina on the blade, but i'd think it is not as old as i am. i have a kris approx. the same size that was presented to a british army officer in 1998 by a malyasian army outfit in bosnia, in a fancy case, that appears to have been made from a forged bicycle chain and is much thinner & is flexible, and the ganja, while separate is wrapped around the end of the blade in a hairpin fashion, the clothes are a lot cruder as well. THAT one cries 'tourist'. the grip and scabbard are a lot nicer on this new one. the overall impression is it is not a work of art like my other proper kris, but is strong enough and well made enough to function as a weapon. it has the 'feel'. for simatua: i used 'vintage' as a bit of a joke, as it is defined as pre-1970 by ebay. 'antique' is pre 1900 apparently ![]() |
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Alright i am learning more and more today! thats not how i looked at the "vintage" thing...being born at dec 1971 i just missed it.
And i always wondered where my "drive"came from to start collect weapons from a warm climate.....Maybe cause of my duty for 5 years with the royal dutch marines were i served.Maybe you discovered it.... If you have some tips too to stop the addiction ...my wife will be glad! Just took a look at your Maduran keris, that one looks very nice, do you have more pictures of it btw? Since the kampungnet seems to stay out of order, so i started to share my collection at multiply. ( overhere its very easy to "make" a site and upload photo's for everyone who's interested: www.simatua.multiply.com |
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![]() re my other keris, i'll take a few tomorrow when the light is better, meanwhile here is the description: Keris Untu Walang dapur: tilam upih pamor: untu walang scabbard: teak, ladrang madura style (iras) length overall 51 cm. wht. 430 grams origin:madura and a kujang & a tombak to tide you over: ![]() ![]() and a death shroud badek to scare you with. ![]() |
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hi again, simatua;
some more photos as requested: these are thumbnails to save space for those who are not interested, click them to see the full size ones all my kris/keris (except the 5" paper knife one i can't find) for size ref: the large moro at the top has a 26" blade ![]() maduran kris left side...............................right side ![]() ![]() right side grip.........................left side grip ![]() ![]() Last edited by kronckew; 13th September 2007 at 12:35 PM. |
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Thanks, for sharing the pictures.
Indeed the smaller pictures you can enlarge take less space. but believe me, everyone one on this forum is interested in photo's etc of each other's collection. Always nice if someone willing to share. ....seeing is learning. greetings martin |
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