A really cool movie

[M ELEY]

Has anyone seen the Russian film '1612'? I just saw it and it was pretty amazing. The cinematography alone makes it worthwhile, let alone the accuracy of the Polish armor, swords, and interestingly home-made cannon (I won't spoil it further, but will say we've discussed it in threads past). An awesome flick, if not perfect (a little choppy editing in the first half).

[kronckew]

i've seen bits of it on youtube. the armourers for that movie were working overtime for sure. the bits i saw were in russian. my russian vocabulary contains about 3 words. the battle scenes were great. the sabre vs. side sword duel near the end is great.

1612 trailer - a taster.


on a more humorous note, i saw the end of 'carry on up the khyber' last nite, the arms they carried were period and the khazi's right hand man carried and brandished a nice yataghan. wonder what happened to all them weapons when the studios went under.

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[A Senefelder]

I've owned the movie for several years. The production values are excellent with the accuracy of the armour ect, being very high. While there are a few liberties with the historical storyline if we made historical based movies in the US in this fashion i'd actually bother to see them. Priori to 1612, With Fire and Sword a Polish made pair of films ( with several of the same actors in 1612 ) was right up there on my list http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Sword-Ogn...fire+and+sword

[M ELEY]

I hadn't heard of 'Carry On Up the Khyber', nor 'With Sword and Fire'. Thanks for the recommendation. I agree, not many good historical movies made in the U.S., but every once in awhile...

[Shimmerxxx]

Originally Posted by kronckew

on a more humorous note, i saw the end of 'carry on up the khyber' last nite, the arms they carried were period and the khazi's right hand man carried and brandished a nice yataghan. wonder what happened to all them weapons when the studios went under.

A friend of mine works in a London prop company that supplies items for movie shoots, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he has them lurking somewhere in the warehouse.

[Martin Lubojacky]

I think "With Sword and Fire" is one of the best films where you can see period costumes and arms and armor of the mid of 17th century (Poland, Ukraine). Polish novelist Henryk Sienkiewicz is one of the best epic writers worldwide (he received Nobel Price in Literature in 1905 I think) and Poles are well proud of him. Maybe that´s why they took a very good attention as far as the authenticity of the arms used in "his" films is concerned. Also his another good noveles were picturized - e.g. "The Deluge", "Fire in the Stepe", The Teutonic Knights" - but these are a bit older..., nevertheless nice, too.
Regards,
Martin

[fernando]

Originally Posted by M ELEY

... Has anyone seen the Russian film '1612'? I just saw it and it was pretty amazing...

Still struggling to get the video. A couple promises but no success yet

[Shimmerxxx]

Originally Posted by fernando

Still struggling to get the video. A couple promises but no success yet

Assuming that portugal is DVD region 2 / PAL, you could import from the UK.

Amazon.co.uk link here

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Shimmerxxx

Assuming that portugal is DVD region 2 / PAL, you could import from the UK.

Amazon.co.uk link here

Thank you so much for the tip.
A friend of mine has just volunteered to send me a copy .

[M ELEY]

Glad you found it, Fernando. Let us know what you think-

[fernando]

Thanks to my benefactor i have received two days ago the actual DVD and already saw it ... all 142 minutes of it.
One only word to classify it: fantabulous .
I didn't know they care to make films like this; it looks like this one was commissioned by some mighty antique arms enthusiast ... forget the script .

[A Senefelder]

Alatriste from Spain in 2006 was another movie I though very enjoyable http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0395119/

[M ELEY]

Thanks, Senefelder. Added to my list. You mentioned American movies not holding up to this standard and I would agree. A rare exception would be the movie 'The Duelists'(1977), with Harvey Keitel. A long-lost classic...

[A Senefelder]

You mentioned American movies not holding up to this standard and I would agree. A rare exception would be the movie 'The Duelists'(1977), with Harvey Keitel. A long-lost classic...

I believe The Duelist has been on the list every time i've seen this topic come up in various forums and I would have to agree with you there.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by M ELEY

... You mentioned American movies not holding up to this standard and I would agree. A rare exception would be the movie 'The Duelists'(1977), with Harvey Keitel. A long-lost classic...

Isn't this a British movie ?

[A Senefelder]

Fernando, just looked it up on IMDB and you are absolutely correct.

[M ELEY]

Dope!! Oh well, there went my argument for a few well-made 'American' study history films. Guess 'The Patriot' will have to do...

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Martin Lubojacky

I think "With Sword and Fire" is one of the best films where you can see period costumes and arms and armor of the mid of 17th century (Poland, Ukraine).

I have just seen it. Great stuff. But "1612" doesn't stay behind.
Do you guys agree ?

[Martin Lubojacky]

Yes Fernando, I do agree.
Best
Martin

[A Senefelder]

I'll add this one to the list as my father just died this past Sunday and he was the one who introduced me to this move over 20 years ago. 1971's " The Last Valley " http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065969/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOhEDvf1ZmU Its not so much the equipment or the like in this film, something about it captured the feeling of depair that I always thought must have enveloped The 30 Years War as it dragged on and on and on.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by A Senefelder

... as my father just died this past Sunday ...

My deepest condolences!

Originally Posted by A Senefelder

" The Last Valley "

Will chase that one; thanks for bring it to attention.

[A Senefelder]

Nanado, thanks very much. I checked Amazon and it is avaliable used for very cheap however I don't know if it is your region/format. If you can find it i'd like to know what you think, its always been the " feel " of this particular film for me, the atmosphere of despair and bleakness thats worked for me.

[M ELEY]

My condolences as well for your father's passing, A Senefelder. I lost my father-in-law several months ago and its been very hard on my family.

Haven't seen "With Sword and Fire" yet to compare, but I will. I'll also keep a look out for this movie after the holidays (when money is not so scarce-i.e. two teen daughters!!! )

[Rick]

I've got The Last Valley on DVD .
Pretty good flick ....

Sorry about your Pop .

[LewisB]

I guess I'm a fan of each of the movies listed here. Michael Caine and Omar Sharif make unconvincing Germans, but I really liked "The Last Valley" anyway.

Jerzy Hoffman filmed Seinkowicz' trilogy backwards, first "Col. Wolodyjowski" and then "The Deluge" and finally "With Fire and Sword." Daniel Olbrychski appears in each film (as Tujai Bey's son, as the noble knight Kmcic, and as Tujai Bey). Bogdan Stupka made a very good Khmelnitsky (and later played Taras Bulba).

"1612" was good, if Russian propaganda, and better, I think, than the remake of "Taras Bulba" that came out a year or so ago.

[Martin Lubojacky]

My deepest sympathy Senefelder.

I still did not see The Last Valley Film. The 30 Years War practically began with second defenestration of Prague and the country is full of this history. I am looking forward to watch it. The sample you linked is interesting
Regards
Martin