Keris washer

Bill M · 8th February 2007, 01:27 PM

Thoughht you might like to see a keris washing tub. This one has not been used., but maybe someday....

David · 8th February 2007, 03:33 PM

That's nice. Much more ornate than the ones i've seen in other pictures which makes me wonder if this one was even really intended for use.
BTW, nice display design and lighting. I'm gonna have to get myself over to the Marsh Museum someday. I would image you have it housed in it's own seperate building by now.

Marcokeris · 8th February 2007, 04:40 PM

Nice!
What kind of wood? teak?

Newsteel · 9th February 2007, 01:45 AM

Beautiful. Looks like teak. Do you think the now kratons use this during washing?

Alam Shah · 9th February 2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Newsteel

Beautiful. Looks like teak. Do you think the now kratons use this during washing?

Afaik, for Kraton Surakarta, they use a simple boxy piece of wood, (probably cut from a tree-trunk and carved) not as fancy as this. Nice tub.

Alam Shah · 12th February 2007, 05:08 AM

For this year's Heirloom Rejuvenating Ceremony (Rangsang Rias Pusaka Bangsa) in Singapore, 2 simple wooden tubs were used. Picture showing the 'warangan' tub.

Bill M · 12th February 2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

For this year's Heirloom Rejuvenating Ceremony (Rangsang Rias Pusaka Bangsa) in Singapore, 2 simple wooden tubs were used. Picture showing the 'warangan' tub.

Next year I will offer to let them use mine!

Maybe I will be there also!

Alam Shah · 12th February 2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Next year I will offer to let them use mine!

Maybe I will be there also!

Hmmm... too nice to use.

Looking forward to seeing you in person.

Errr... don't forget to bring your Balinese and Moro pieces as well. Those are sure winners.

Bill M · 12th February 2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Hmmm... too nice to use.

Looking forward to seeing you in person.

Errr... don't forget to bring your Balinese and Moro pieces as well. Those are sure winners.

Should I also bring my Polish sabres?

No, wait, they and the Moro pieces would be too long for the tub!

But, seriously, I may be there and I would also really like to meet you!

Alam Shah · 12th February 2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Should I also bring my Polish sabres?

No, wait, they and the Moro pieces would be too long for the tub!

But, seriously, I may be there and I would also really like to meet you!

Hee..hee... The Balinese and the Moro are for the competition... Sayembara Ratu Keris (Keris Pageant)

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VVV, now have added another title to one of his keris piece.

Bill M · 12th February 2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Hee..hee... The Balinese and the Moro are for the competition... Sayembara Ratu Keris (Keris Pageant)

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VVV, now have added another title to one of his keris piece.

Congratulations on your Java keris win also!

You and Micheal (and a lot of other people from the Forum) are certainly winners to me!

I understand better now about sending some of my pieces. My best pieces are really Javanese, Balinese then Moro (though the Moro collection is ceratainly growing!) Do you have a panabas, barong competition as well?

Maybe next year. It was very exciting to view these fantastic pieces!

A. G. Maisey · 12th February 2007, 11:58 PM

Thank you Shahrial for making that link to the competition winners available.

I have had a look at the winners, and the question has arisen in my mind as to how the winners are selected.

What standards are used to determine the finest keris exhibited?

Most especially in respect of Javanese and Balinese keris, how do the judges determine which is the best keris?

Is it an objective choice based upon a predetermined set of standards, or a subjective choice where concensus is reached as to the keris with the highest degree of visual appeal?

Newsteel · 13th February 2007, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

What standards are used to determine the finest keris exhibited?

Most especially in respect of Javanese and Balinese keris, how do the judges determine which is the best keris?

Is it an objective choice based upon a predetermined set of standards, or a subjective choice where concensus is reached as to the keris with the highest degree of visual appeal?

Unless the competitors were briefed about the judging criterias, this I believe Adni can explain with much details.

Alam Shah · 13th February 2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Thank you Shahrial for making that link to the competition winners available.

Those are last year's (2006) pictures.

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I have had a look at the winners, and the question has arisen in my mind as to how the winners are selected.

What standards are used to determine the finest keris exhibited?

Most especially in respect of Javanese and Balinese keris, how do the judges determine which is the best keris?

Is it an objective choice based upon a predetermined set of standards, or a subjective choice where concensus is reached as to the keris with the highest degree of visual appeal?

It is an objective choice based upon a predetermined set of standards. In summary, a points based system awarded by a panel of judges. I guess you could drop a mail to Adni for details.

A. G. Maisey · 13th February 2007, 02:06 AM

Thanks for your explanation Shahrial.I didn't realise I was looking at last year, but that doesn't really matter as my interest was in the process.

I do not feel inclined to raise the matter privately with Adni, as I do not correspond with him, and I feel it would be rather impolite to approach him with this query, especially as I do not participate in this event, and have no intention of so doing.

I had hoped that you may have known the applicable standards, or, if you did not, that somebody else may have.

I feel it would be most educational for all of us who follow these matters to have a knowledge of the standards used by the judges, as perhaps these standards could be used by collectors in their own evaluation of a keris.

As a product of the Javanese school, I of course have my own set of standards, and as I applied these to the photos of the winners in this competition, I was left wondering exactly what standards were in place.

8th February 2007, 01:27 PM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Keris washer Thoughht you might like to see a keris washing tub. This one has not been used., but maybe someday.... Attached Images

12th February 2007, 05:08 AM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	For this year's Heirloom Rejuvenating Ceremony (Rangsang Rias Pusaka Bangsa) in Singapore, 2 simple wooden tubs were used. Picture showing the 'warangan' tub. Attached Images

8th February 2007, 03:33 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	That's nice. Much more ornate than the ones i've seen in other pictures which makes me wonder if this one was even really intended for use. BTW, nice display design and lighting. I'm gonna have to get myself over to the Marsh Museum someday. I would image you have it housed in it's own seperate building by now.

8th February 2007, 04:40 PM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Nice! What kind of wood? teak?

9th February 2007, 01:45 AM	#4
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Beautiful. Looks like teak. Do you think the now kratons use this during washing?

12th February 2007, 11:58 PM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,897	Thank you Shahrial for making that link to the competition winners available. I have had a look at the winners, and the question has arisen in my mind as to how the winners are selected. What standards are used to determine the finest keris exhibited? Most especially in respect of Javanese and Balinese keris, how do the judges determine which is the best keris? Is it an objective choice based upon a predetermined set of standards, or a subjective choice where concensus is reached as to the keris with the highest degree of visual appeal?

13th February 2007, 02:06 AM	#15
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,897	Thanks for your explanation Shahrial.I didn't realise I was looking at last year, but that doesn't really matter as my interest was in the process. I do not feel inclined to raise the matter privately with Adni, as I do not correspond with him, and I feel it would be rather impolite to approach him with this query, especially as I do not participate in this event, and have no intention of so doing. I had hoped that you may have known the applicable standards, or, if you did not, that somebody else may have. I feel it would be most educational for all of us who follow these matters to have a knowledge of the standards used by the judges, as perhaps these standards could be used by collectors in their own evaluation of a keris. As a product of the Javanese school, I of course have my own set of standards, and as I applied these to the photos of the winners in this competition, I was left wondering exactly what standards were in place.