kindjal - mechanical damascus ??

Rivkin · 6th May 2006, 10:46 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-NICE-RUSSIA...QQcmdZViewItem

Just finished - the question is if its an etching or a real deal ? Do I see hamon in one of the pictures ?

ariel · 6th May 2006, 10:59 PM

I am sure it is etching. there are quite a few of those with etched fullers. Looks very pretty, though.

ALEX · 7th May 2006, 05:44 PM

Ariel is absolutely correct.
As the seller, who wrote: "fullers have etching".
I am not even sure it's etching, but it is definitely a mechanical pattern, manually placed on the surface of the blade, like you would decorate a cake from the manual tube to form a trim.

galvano · 8th May 2006, 04:21 PM

For example
Here my kindjal.
The center is engraved with etching.
But it is not Damas.

Oriental-Arms · 8th May 2006, 05:04 PM

It is correct that most of the Kindjals with pattern on the blade are etched (Inside the fullers). Few only has a real pattern welded core with plain high carbon steel around. It is difficult to tell from these photos but there is a small chance that the core here is pattern welded. My reasons

1: One can see in few places the Star shape found on twisted steel used in Kindjals with pattern welded core. It is not very common on etched blades

2: Etching was mainly done INSIDE the fullers. Here on the front of the blade I see some pattern BETWEEN the fullers. This also may indicate a pattern welded core.

The only way to really find out is either a far better photos with good high resolution close ups, or polish a very small area and see if the pattern returns after etching (NOT REALLY RECOMMENDED IF YOU ARE NOT EXPERIENCED)

galvano · 8th May 2006, 07:13 PM

I increased the photograph of ebay.
And I think that it is indeed about the welded Damas.
And twisted.
galvano

6th May 2006, 10:46 PM	#1
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	kindjal - mechanical damascus ?? http://cgi.ebay.com/VERY-NICE-RUSSIA...QQcmdZViewItem Just finished - the question is if its an etching or a real deal ? Do I see hamon in one of the pictures ?

8th May 2006, 04:21 PM	#4
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	exemple kindjal For example Here my kindjal. The center is engraved with etching. But it is not Damas. Attached Images

8th May 2006, 05:04 PM	#5
Oriental-Arms Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 183	Pattern welded or etched? It is correct that most of the Kindjals with pattern on the blade are etched (Inside the fullers). Few only has a real pattern welded core with plain high carbon steel around. It is difficult to tell from these photos but there is a small chance that the core here is pattern welded. My reasons 1: One can see in few places the Star shape found on twisted steel used in Kindjals with pattern welded core. It is not very common on etched blades 2: Etching was mainly done INSIDE the fullers. Here on the front of the blade I see some pattern BETWEEN the fullers. This also may indicate a pattern welded core. The only way to really find out is either a far better photos with good high resolution close ups, or polish a very small area and see if the pattern returns after etching (NOT REALLY RECOMMENDED IF YOU ARE NOT EXPERIENCED)

8th May 2006, 07:13 PM	#6
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	hi oriental-arms I increased the photograph of ebay. And I think that it is indeed about the welded Damas. And twisted. galvano

6th May 2006, 10:59 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am sure it is etching. there are quite a few of those with etched fullers. Looks very pretty, though.

7th May 2006, 05:44 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Ariel is absolutely correct. As the seller, who wrote: "fullers have etching". I am not even sure it's etching, but it is definitely a mechanical pattern, manually placed on the surface of the blade, like you would decorate a cake from the manual tube to form a trim.