2nd June 2009, 07:09 PM | #1 |
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Ming Jian
At Timonium, I presented some village jian. I tried to show a wide range of styles and made an attempt at providing some dates. Here is an example of one I got spectacularly wrong. It has a very slim blade that caught Nick's attention right away due to its resemblance to a kiem. He and Phillip Tom wondered if it was a Vietnamese blade or if it was, perhaps, in an even unlikelier possibility, a Ming blade of the type that had inspired the kiem. I sent it off to Phillip because he seemed unusually excited by it and waited for the result.
Well the result was completely unexpected. I had grouped this jian with later examples of village things because of its 19th c. village style handle fittings. Luckily I had also bought it at a price appropriate for such an object. The reality floored me. Phillip says it is in fact almost certainly a Ming jian and not necessarily late Ming. The handle fittings make it in his words “a prince in pauper's clothing." It is indeed of the type that influenced the development of the kiem as documented in period Chinese artwork, some of which is found at the Met (to be shown in an upcoming book by Phillip and Scott.) Apparently my jian is the only known example outside of the illustrations. The slim blade is superficially like that of kiem, but with an edge geometry that allows use as a cutting weapon as well as the obvious use for thrusting. The steel is extremely fine grained with a subtle temper line and no forge flaws, precluding its manufacture by a village smith. The work is too high quality and too time consuming for something to be used by a peasant militia. How it came to be re-hilted in the late 19th c. is of course a mystery, but it highlights the extremely long active life of Chinese weapons, and what I see as the tendency of Chinese villagers to never let a good piece of steel out of their hands once they have it. Josh Pictures by Phillip Tom http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...1overall_1.jpg http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...2overall_2.jpg http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...J-03hilt_3.jpg http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...-04forte_4.jpg http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...MJ-05tip_5.jpg |
2nd June 2009, 08:22 PM | #2 |
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Dontcha just love it when stuff like this happens !?!
Congratulations Josh . Way to go ! Rick |
3rd June 2009, 05:12 AM | #3 |
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Very cool. Thanks for sharing, Josh!!
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3rd June 2009, 05:35 AM | #4 |
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Hullo everybody,
Thanks Josh! Best, |
3rd June 2009, 10:31 AM | #5 |
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Superb Josh
Congrats Josh,
Superb piece and a great length. It seems in quality so akin to some of the finest japanese swords and it is certainly something that is rarely seen. All the best and thanks for sharing. Gav |
3rd June 2009, 03:46 PM | #6 |
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Fascinating! Do you have the weight? Any pics of the tang?
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3rd June 2009, 05:41 PM | #7 |
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Nice!
Very nice. I have always found these earlier blades that have been remounted for a much later working life to be most interesting and it is always a thrill when such a sleeper is discovered. A favorite example of mine is in the Schweizerischen Landesmuseum (Zurich, IN6986) where a 7th - 8th century pattern-welded blade has been fitted with a c. 1510 katzbalger hilt!
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4th June 2009, 01:51 PM | #8 |
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Thanks for the congratulations. Unfortunately there is no easy way to get a handle off a Chinese sword without some damage so the tang will remain hidden. From memory, the weight is about 800g.
Before I knew what it was, it was my regular practice sword and a pleasure to work with. It is fast but with a balance far enough up the blade to make it feel substantial on the cuts. I first thought it was a modern mono-steel copy because I couldn’t see any lines and someone had put it on a buffer. I cleaned it a bit and noticed a very faint temper line, and it felt so good in the hand, lively, with literally a "good vibration" that I thought it was worth keeping around. Usually it is the look that attracts me to a sword, but in this case it was as much the feel of it. So I put it in the corner as a practice weapon, and brought it to Timonium as an afterthought. It looked lonely in the corner, and I thought the unusually slim blade might be of interest because of its similarities to Vietnamese things. I can’t wait to see it in person with a full polish. Josh |
4th June 2009, 05:50 PM | #9 |
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Hi Josh,
Neat blade. My teacher had a 100-year old jian that had a similar "good feel," and he used it as a practice blade. I hope that when you get this one back, you will continue to practice with it. It's a beauty. Best, F |
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