new kindjal

galvano · 18th March 2007, 06:15 PM

Hello.
Here a new kindjal.
I did not determine the origin. Your opinion.
Overall length 42 cm.
Length of the blade 30 cm.
Handle in horn.
Can somebody it translate the writing?

ariel · 18th March 2007, 08:43 PM

The decorations are not Caucasian: look Turkish or Syrian to me.
1235H translates into 1819-1820 Gregorian. Old bugger...

galvano · 19th March 2007, 08:25 PM

many thanks ariel (excuse my english)
galvano

Yannis · 20th March 2007, 01:07 PM

The metal band that connects throat and tip of the scabbard was common to Balkan kindjals. Also the decoration is similar to early 20th century weapons from the area. It could be from what is today Greece, Bulgaria, FYROM and that days Ottoman Macedonia. The blade looks earlier and from other origin

ariel · 20th March 2007, 05:07 PM

The same feature, ie connecting band, can be seen on authentic Caucasian Kindjals as well.
I can see your point about the decoration, but it is so bloody meager that I would hesitate pinpointing the exact region.
Can we agree on "Ottoman"?

Yannis · 21st March 2007, 12:01 PM

Ottoman is fine

Do you agree that it is around 1900? And probably the blade earlier?

ariel · 21st March 2007, 02:24 PM

Isn't id dated " 235"? Likely, 1235 H, ie 1819 Gregorian

Battara · 21st March 2007, 08:10 PM

I agree that the blade is older. Some of the work on the mounts do look newer, done on white metal (nickel silver) from the looks of it.

galvano · 21st March 2007, 09:19 PM

a true police investigation.

Thank you for your assistance
galvano

galvano · 22nd March 2007, 08:36 PM

hi
battara, nickel silver= 1820
galvano

janti · 23rd June 2007, 05:21 PM

Hi all, its a circassian kindjal ( 18th century ) who lives in jordan.
I saw many of them in jordan.

TVV · 23rd June 2007, 08:02 PM

I am with Yannis on this one. The fittings look Balkan to me, and later to the blade. To me it looks like it might have been recently restored, as there are skilled craftsmen in Bulgaria and I am sure all other Balkan countries that do such work. I have attached a picture of a kama I have and another picture of a kama from the calendar of a reenactment society, both modern and made by the same bladesmith.
Also, keep in mind that there were plenty of Circassians in the Balkans, relocated there by the Ottomans in the 19th century.
Regards,
Teodor

18th March 2007, 06:15 PM	#1
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	new kindjal Hello. Here a new kindjal. I did not determine the origin. Your opinion. Overall length 42 cm. Length of the blade 30 cm. Handle in horn. Can somebody it translate the writing? Attached Images

19th March 2007, 08:25 PM	#3
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	kindjal many thanks ariel (excuse my english) galvano

21st March 2007, 09:19 PM	#9
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	investigation a true police investigation. Thank you for your assistance galvano

22nd March 2007, 08:36 PM	#10
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	nickel silver hi battara, nickel silver= 1820 galvano

23rd June 2007, 08:02 PM	#12
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,622	I am with Yannis on this one. The fittings look Balkan to me, and later to the blade. To me it looks like it might have been recently restored, as there are skilled craftsmen in Bulgaria and I am sure all other Balkan countries that do such work. I have attached a picture of a kama I have and another picture of a kama from the calendar of a reenactment society, both modern and made by the same bladesmith. Also, keep in mind that there were plenty of Circassians in the Balkans, relocated there by the Ottomans in the 19th century. Regards, Teodor Attached Images

18th March 2007, 08:43 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The decorations are not Caucasian: look Turkish or Syrian to me. 1235H translates into 1819-1820 Gregorian. Old bugger...

20th March 2007, 01:07 PM	#4
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	The metal band that connects throat and tip of the scabbard was common to Balkan kindjals. Also the decoration is similar to early 20th century weapons from the area. It could be from what is today Greece, Bulgaria, FYROM and that days Ottoman Macedonia. The blade looks earlier and from other origin

20th March 2007, 05:07 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The same feature, ie connecting band, can be seen on authentic Caucasian Kindjals as well. I can see your point about the decoration, but it is so bloody meager that I would hesitate pinpointing the exact region. Can we agree on "Ottoman"?

21st March 2007, 12:01 PM	#6
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Ottoman is fine Do you agree that it is around 1900? And probably the blade earlier?

21st March 2007, 02:24 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Isn't id dated " 235"? Likely, 1235 H, ie 1819 Gregorian

21st March 2007, 08:10 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	I agree that the blade is older. Some of the work on the mounts do look newer, done on white metal (nickel silver) from the looks of it.

23rd June 2007, 05:21 PM	#11
janti Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 8	Hi all, its a circassian kindjal ( 18th century ) who lives in jordan. I saw many of them in jordan.