Pamor Material Anyone ?

Rick · 12th November 2005, 04:56 PM

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Pusaka · 12th November 2005, 05:11 PM

Can I have a slice please

Jens Nordlunde · 12th November 2005, 05:56 PM

Nice find Rick, maybe you should start 'hunting'

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Freddy · 12th November 2005, 06:57 PM

I'll start digging in my garden right now !

Anyone wanna help ?

nechesh · 12th November 2005, 07:44 PM

Oh Jeez Rick, you see what you've started! A meteorite rush!

I just hope we won't have to rehash the old arguments about the frequency, importance or dating of meteorite use as keris pamor.

Rick · 12th November 2005, 08:53 PM

I'm sure one could purchase a nickel/iron meteorite on eBay this very day .

That's the easy part ...

Pusaka · 12th November 2005, 09:23 PM

On the subject of meteorites, which type of meteorites make the best pamor???

nechesh · 12th November 2005, 09:25 PM

I am likewise sure that someone could purchase what is being advertized as a keris with meteoric pamor on eBay this very day.

They certainly stand a much better chance with the raw materials.

Alam Shah · 13th November 2005, 03:49 AM

I have some meteorite materials.

One day when I grow up, I'm hoping to get a keris commissioned with these materials.

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

marto suwignyo · 13th November 2005, 04:53 AM

It might be little bit difficult to find somebody who a keris maker who can handle the meteor material.

BSMStar · 13th November 2005, 06:23 AM

This meteorite is a Pallasite... having olivine crystals in a nickel iron matrix. It is also a Stony Iron... an in between state of the Stony and the Iron meteorites. One would have to remove the olivine before the meteorite would be usable to make a keris. It may be possible to do... but would require a lot of effort. Judging by the pictures of this meteorite. it is badly weathered (oxidized). Oxidized iron will not make a keris. There may be a good ole Iron type laying around some where... they are a bit on the rare side to find.

You can always buy one on Ebay... the SIKHOTE-ALIN meteorite from the Russian Maritime Territory (a Coarse Octahedrite IIB) is fairly common since is was a large (estimated at 70 tons) and resent fall (1947). I am not sure how well it will out for keris making.

The Namibia Gibeon Iron meteorite (a Fine Octahedrite IVA) has been manufactured in to iron weapons for hundreds of years, but are a bit more pricey.

As we know, the Prambanan meteorite (an ungrouped iron) historically has been used in keris making.

Alam Shah · 13th November 2005, 05:49 PM

BMStar,

The Nantan is an iron meteorite with the following information...(unless I'm mistaken). If I'm wrong, please enlighten me.

Research The research on the Nantan meteorites is done mainly by the researchers from the Institute of Geochemistry, Chinese Academy of Sciences. In the late 1970s, some professors from the University of Tokyo and Gakusuin University, Japan, took part in a joint research project. The summary here is based on the Chinese publications.

Shapes and Sizes Nantan meteorites have different shapes: spherical, triangle, flat-iron shaped, elliptical, semi-sheered, tongue-shaped, irregular, and so on. Fresh meteorite surfaces are black, and commonly characterized with angular or round melted pits. The ones deeply weathered are brown and lack of melted surface.The size of Nantan meteorites collected ranges from 10 grams to 2,000 kg. Total weight is estimated to be 9,500 kg.

Mineralogical Composition and Texture More than ten minerals have been found in the Nantan meteorites, dominantly kamacite and taenite. Secondary are plessite, scheribersite, triolite, graphite, spherlite, sideroferrite, dyslytite, cliftonite, and lawrencite. Coarse octohedrite. Kamacite lamina are 1 - 3.1 mm wide. Widmanstattern pattern is obvious in polished pieces.

Chemical Compositions The average Chemical composition in the Nantan meteorites are: Fe 92.35%, Ni 6.96%, belonging to IIICD type of iron meteorite based on the taxonomy of Wasson and others (1980). The following trace elements have been detected: C, Cu, Co, S, P, Cr, Ga, Ge, As, Sb, W, Re, Ir, Au, Ru, Pd, Os, Pr, and Mn. Ag, Cd, and Pb isotopes have been analyzed by Prof. Wang Daode and others (1993).

Alam Shah · 13th November 2005, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marto suwignyo

It might be little bit difficult to find somebody who a keris maker who can handle the meteor material.

True. In the near future, I would be experimenting it with a Malaysian "Pandai Besi", to startup with. Would be interesting to find out the outcome.
The type of keris would be a Peninsular keris, for this experiment.

If anyone have recommendation regarding this, I would like to hear it, please.

Alam Shah · 13th November 2005, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I'm sure one could purchase a nickel/iron meteorite on eBay this very day .

That's the easy part ...

Done that. Next step, to find a maker...

12th November 2005, 04:56 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,294	Pamor Material Anyone ? http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...iscovery_x.htm < pop ups >

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Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Nice find Rick, maybe you should start 'hunting'.

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Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	meteorite materials I have some meteorite materials. One day when I grow up, I'm hoping to get a keris commissioned with these materials. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php Last edited by Alam Shah; 13th November 2005 at 03:57 PM. Reason: add info.

13th November 2005, 06:23 AM	#11
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Its a Stony Iron This meteorite is a Pallasite... having olivine crystals in a nickel iron matrix. It is also a Stony Iron... an in between state of the Stony and the Iron meteorites. One would have to remove the olivine before the meteorite would be usable to make a keris. It may be possible to do... but would require a lot of effort. Judging by the pictures of this meteorite. it is badly weathered (oxidized). Oxidized iron will not make a keris. There may be a good ole Iron type laying around some where... they are a bit on the rare side to find. You can always buy one on Ebay... the SIKHOTE-ALIN meteorite from the Russian Maritime Territory (a Coarse Octahedrite IIB) is fairly common since is was a large (estimated at 70 tons) and resent fall (1947). I am not sure how well it will out for keris making. The Namibia Gibeon Iron meteorite (a Fine Octahedrite IVA) has been manufactured in to iron weapons for hundreds of years, but are a bit more pricey. As we know, the Prambanan meteorite (an ungrouped iron) historically has been used in keris making.

13th November 2005, 05:49 PM	#12
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Nantan iron/nickel meteorite... BMStar, The Nantan is an iron meteorite with the following information...(unless I'm mistaken). If I'm wrong, please enlighten me. Research The research on the Nantan meteorites is done mainly by the researchers from the Institute of Geochemistry, Chinese Academy of Sciences. In the late 1970s, some professors from the University of Tokyo and Gakusuin University, Japan, took part in a joint research project. The summary here is based on the Chinese publications. Shapes and Sizes Nantan meteorites have different shapes: spherical, triangle, flat-iron shaped, elliptical, semi-sheered, tongue-shaped, irregular, and so on. Fresh meteorite surfaces are black, and commonly characterized with angular or round melted pits. The ones deeply weathered are brown and lack of melted surface.The size of Nantan meteorites collected ranges from 10 grams to 2,000 kg. Total weight is estimated to be 9,500 kg. Mineralogical Composition and Texture More than ten minerals have been found in the Nantan meteorites, dominantly kamacite and taenite. Secondary are plessite, scheribersite, triolite, graphite, spherlite, sideroferrite, dyslytite, cliftonite, and lawrencite. Coarse octohedrite. Kamacite lamina are 1 - 3.1 mm wide. Widmanstattern pattern is obvious in polished pieces. Chemical Compositions The average Chemical composition in the Nantan meteorites are: Fe 92.35%, Ni 6.96%, belonging to IIICD type of iron meteorite based on the taxonomy of Wasson and others (1980). The following trace elements have been detected: C, Cu, Co, S, P, Cr, Ga, Ge, As, Sb, W, Re, Ir, Au, Ru, Pd, Os, Pr, and Mn. Ag, Cd, and Pb isotopes have been analyzed by Prof. Wang Daode and others (1993).

12th November 2005, 05:11 PM	#2
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Can I have a slice please

12th November 2005, 06:57 PM	#4
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	I'll start digging in my garden right now ! Anyone wanna help ?

12th November 2005, 07:44 PM	#5
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Oh Jeez Rick, you see what you've started! A meteorite rush! I just hope we won't have to rehash the old arguments about the frequency, importance or dating of meteorite use as keris pamor.

12th November 2005, 08:53 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,294	I'm sure one could purchase a nickel/iron meteorite on eBay this very day . That's the easy part ...

12th November 2005, 09:23 PM	#7
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	On the subject of meteorites, which type of meteorites make the best pamor???

12th November 2005, 09:25 PM	#8
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I am likewise sure that someone could purchase what is being advertized as a keris with meteoric pamor on eBay this very day. They certainly stand a much better chance with the raw materials.

13th November 2005, 04:53 AM	#10
marto suwignyo Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 52	It might be little bit difficult to find somebody who a keris maker who can handle the meteor material.