ID needed Persian or Ottoman Warriors?

Atlantia · 9th September 2010, 08:56 PM

Here is an interesting tinned copper plate/tray.
Possibly of great age.
Anyone recognise the particular uniform of the soldiers?

TVV · 10th September 2010, 01:47 AM

To me these look like hunters in what would be hunting attire, rather than soldiers in uniforms. Interesting to see depictions of hunting with a shamshir.

Regards,
Teodor

Atlantia · 10th September 2010, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TVV

To me these look like hunters in what would be hunting attire, rather than soldiers in uniforms. Interesting to see depictions of hunting with a shamshir.

Regards,
Teodor

Hi Teodor
Thanks, thats a very good point.
I particularly like the one leaning right off of the horse to slash with the sword!
No that the Tigers couldn't just jump up of course.
Do you think they are Persian then?

Ron Anderson · 10th September 2010, 03:09 AM

The pictures remind me of Babylonian/Assyrian/Persian lion hunting depictions. I have a keen interest in the ancient middle east.

I don't think lion hunting has been in vogue for a long time. Certainly I don't think it was around during the Moghul/Indo-Persian period. I think this is a depiction of ancient Persian hunting. The hats suggest ancient Persian achemenid(?). I believe that more recent Persian art oftenshows ancient Persian depictions.

The uniforms remind me of ancient (acheminid?) Persian troops circa 400-500 BC.

That's my 0.0000000000000000000000002 cents worth.

Ron Anderson · 10th September 2010, 10:53 AM

I must correct myself there.

Looking closer I can see these aren't lions, they're tigers.

I still think these may be Persian, rather than Ottoman. The uniforms look ancient Persian. But I would now guess not nearly as ancient as achemenid (spelling possibly dodgy, please forgive).

TVV · 10th September 2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Do you think they are Persian then?

Persian would be my guess, but this is all it is - just a guess.

Atlantia · 11th September 2010, 04:07 PM

Well........
Thank you gentlemen.
I initially thought Persian. It's tinned copper and I've seen very similar pieces described as 17th/18th C Safavid.
Bu then the doubts start to creep in and I started wondering if its Ottoman.....

Also the tiger/lion things have got really long tails..... Like wolves

9th September 2010, 08:56 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	ID needed Persian or Ottoman Warriors? Here is an interesting tinned copper plate/tray. Possibly of great age. Anyone recognise the particular uniform of the soldiers?

11th September 2010, 04:07 PM	#7
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Well........ Thank you gentlemen. I initially thought Persian. It's tinned copper and I've seen very similar pieces described as 17th/18th C Safavid. Bu then the doubts start to creep in and I started wondering if its Ottoman..... Also the tiger/lion things have got really long tails..... Like wolves Last edited by Atlantia; 11th September 2010 at 07:04 PM.

10th September 2010, 01:47 AM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,624	To me these look like hunters in what would be hunting attire, rather than soldiers in uniforms. Interesting to see depictions of hunting with a shamshir. Regards, Teodor

10th September 2010, 03:09 AM	#4
Ron Anderson Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 228	The pictures remind me of Babylonian/Assyrian/Persian lion hunting depictions. I have a keen interest in the ancient middle east. I don't think lion hunting has been in vogue for a long time. Certainly I don't think it was around during the Moghul/Indo-Persian period. I think this is a depiction of ancient Persian hunting. The hats suggest ancient Persian achemenid(?). I believe that more recent Persian art oftenshows ancient Persian depictions. The uniforms remind me of ancient (acheminid?) Persian troops circa 400-500 BC. That's my 0.0000000000000000000000002 cents worth.

10th September 2010, 10:53 AM	#5
Ron Anderson Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 228	I must correct myself there. Looking closer I can see these aren't lions, they're tigers. I still think these may be Persian, rather than Ottoman. The uniforms look ancient Persian. But I would now guess not nearly as ancient as achemenid (spelling possibly dodgy, please forgive).