Parang Naibur/Langgai Tinggan

Ian · 18th February 2005, 08:56 PM

I have always had an affection for the style and form of parang naibur, and this one seems to be an older example with a nice scabbard and attachments. Would be interested to hear what people think of the "trophies" hanging from the scabbard.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7301999396

I will post pictures when it arrives.

Conogre · 18th February 2005, 09:50 PM

Sweet weapon and congratulations!
My first impression of the "trophies" on that one is that they have a distinct talismantic effect, like the tusk balls on some of the swords from Nias, as compared to the "effect" teeth on the tourist pieces from Irianjaya.
As an aside, I watched "Fairwell to the King", with Nick Nolte again last night and a very similar piece (hopefully also in prop form) and some beautiful Dayak shields were used in the early combat scenes.
Again, congratulations on aquiring a truly beautiful weapon.
Mike

Radu Transylvanicus · 18th February 2005, 10:10 PM

The claws and teeth trophies come from a harvested sun-bear (Helarctos malayanus) here is an image of the animal in cause... if Greenpeace rings you doorbell I wouldnt open ...

ariel · 19th February 2005, 02:58 AM

The tip of the blade reminds a garden variety meat cleaver... exactly the intended purpose. Brutal piece.
Radu, perhaps these are trophies from Ceausescu's private hunt? There was a great article in the New Yorker about it: the bastard used to kill 30-40 bears in one day.

Radu Transylvanicus · 19th February 2005, 05:22 AM

Well, three weeks ago in Romania was a huge scandal as the former prime minister and a proeminent bussinesman, former International tennis champion Ion Tiriac as they went into a hunt (read massacre) that would make former shahs of Persia blush: they shot almost two hundred boars in one morning. How about that ?

Naga Basuki · 19th February 2005, 12:54 PM

Nice snag Ian --- Grrr --- was a few minutes behind you. But really, I am happy that it went to another Forum member. Maybe you bring to Timonium?

Bill

BTW also saw "Farewell to the King" with Nick Nolte last night. Pretty good movie, and it was nice seeing the various Dayak items.

Anybody see the "Road To Bali" (1952) with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby?

Had a few keris there. As I remember, the keris were Javanese(?)

Funny how they got names for some of the characters:

Murvyn Vye as "Ken Arok"
Leon Askin as "Ramayana"
Peter Coe as "Gung" guess they shortened "Agung."

Ah Hollywood.....

Naga Basuki · 19th February 2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Radu Transylvanicus

Well, three weeks ago in Romania was a huge scandal as the former prime minister and a proeminent bussinesman, former International tennis champion Ion Tiriac as they went into a hunt (read massacre) that would make former shahs of Persia blush: they shot almost two hundred boars in one morning. How about that ?

What happened? Did they ambush a herd of pigs with a machine gun?

VANDOO · 19th February 2005, 07:33 PM

A NEAT AND UNUSUAL MANDAU, GOOD FIND. I AGREE THE TROPHYS OR TAILSMAN IS BEAR BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPES ARE IN THAT AREA. THE SLOTH BEAR IS DANGEROUS AND IS ALSO IN THE REGION BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY INHABIT BORNEO. SOME PICS OF THE SCABBARD DETAIL WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THAT TRIBES ART LOOKS LIKE.

TO SHOOT THAT MANY WILD PIGS IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE BEEN A BIG DRIVE WITH LOTS OF BEATERS. WILD PIGS OFTEN BECOME A VERY DESTRUCTIVE PEST AND HAVE TO BE THINNED OUT FROM TIME TO TIME IF THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PREDATORS. DUE TO VERY LARGE LITTERS THEY BREED VERY FAST IN OPTIMUM CONDITIONS AND ARE VERY SMART AND NORMALLY DIFFICULT TO HUNT IN HEAVY COVER. I IMAGINE THAT THE PIGS WERE NOT ALL BOARS AS IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO THIN OUT THE SOWS ALSO IF PIGS ARE BECOMING A PROBLEM. SOMETIMES SUCH HUNTS ARE AN ABUSE OF THOSE WITH POWER AND SOMETIMES EVERYTHING IS JUST BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION BY THOSE WHO THINK WE ALL SHOULD BE VEGETARIANS.

UNFORTUNATELY THE MEDIA ALWAYS PREFERS A SCANDAL, OUTRAGE OR DISASTER AS IT SELLS MORE PAPERS OR GIVES BETTER RATEINGS.

BEARS ON THE OTHER HAND ARE SLOW BREEDERS AND UNLESS THEY ARE A DANGER TO PEOPLE OR LIVESTOCK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO AT LEAST REGULATE HOW MANY COULD BE TAKEN BASED ON POPULATION IN A AREA.

Conogre · 19th February 2005, 09:57 PM

Barry is 100% correct.
Even though the "wild boar" is native to Europe and Central Asia, throughout most of its range the large predators have been eliminated leaving huge herds that can actually be a real danger to humans as pigs, like ourselves, are omnivores, and when vegetable fair is inaddequate will turn carnivore so that not only are crops ravaged, but even small children are at serious risk.
Here in Fla. all "wild boar" are only ferel pigs, thus non-native and 100% distructive to what small amount of the enviroment hasn't been paved over yet and may even have a bounty on them, open for taking at anytime in areas approved for hunting.
Bears, on the other hand, ARE endangered in many areas and may well soon be things that are only seen in photos and zoos, plus their gall bladders are on the Chinese traditional medicine list, a death knell for any species.
Even 75% of the world's seahorses are endangered as Asian Viagra
Mike

18th February 2005, 08:56 PM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,197	Parang Naibur/Langgai Tinggan I have always had an affection for the style and form of parang naibur, and this one seems to be an older example with a nice scabbard and attachments. Would be interested to hear what people think of the "trophies" hanging from the scabbard. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7301999396 I will post pictures when it arrives.

18th February 2005, 10:10 PM	#3
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	The claws and teeth trophies come from a harvested sun-bear (Helarctos malayanus) here is an image of the animal in cause... if Greenpeace rings you doorbell I wouldnt open ... Attached Images

19th February 2005, 12:54 PM	#6
Naga Basuki Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Big old machine shop/foundry/warehouse in Atlanta GA USA Posts: 51	Nice snag Ian --- Grrr --- was a few minutes behind you. But really, I am happy that it went to another Forum member. Maybe you bring to Timonium? Bill BTW also saw "Farewell to the King" with Nick Nolte last night. Pretty good movie, and it was nice seeing the various Dayak items. Anybody see the "Road To Bali" (1952) with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby? Had a few keris there. As I remember, the keris were Javanese(?) Funny how they got names for some of the characters: Murvyn Vye as "Ken Arok" Leon Askin as "Ramayana" Peter Coe as "Gung" guess they shortened "Agung." Ah Hollywood..... Last edited by Naga Basuki; 19th February 2005 at 11:23 PM.

19th February 2005, 07:33 PM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A NEAT AND UNUSUAL MANDAU, GOOD FIND. I AGREE THE TROPHYS OR TAILSMAN IS BEAR BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPES ARE IN THAT AREA. THE SLOTH BEAR IS DANGEROUS AND IS ALSO IN THE REGION BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY INHABIT BORNEO. SOME PICS OF THE SCABBARD DETAIL WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THAT TRIBES ART LOOKS LIKE. TO SHOOT THAT MANY WILD PIGS IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE BEEN A BIG DRIVE WITH LOTS OF BEATERS. WILD PIGS OFTEN BECOME A VERY DESTRUCTIVE PEST AND HAVE TO BE THINNED OUT FROM TIME TO TIME IF THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PREDATORS. DUE TO VERY LARGE LITTERS THEY BREED VERY FAST IN OPTIMUM CONDITIONS AND ARE VERY SMART AND NORMALLY DIFFICULT TO HUNT IN HEAVY COVER. I IMAGINE THAT THE PIGS WERE NOT ALL BOARS AS IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO THIN OUT THE SOWS ALSO IF PIGS ARE BECOMING A PROBLEM. SOMETIMES SUCH HUNTS ARE AN ABUSE OF THOSE WITH POWER AND SOMETIMES EVERYTHING IS JUST BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION BY THOSE WHO THINK WE ALL SHOULD BE VEGETARIANS. UNFORTUNATELY THE MEDIA ALWAYS PREFERS A SCANDAL, OUTRAGE OR DISASTER AS IT SELLS MORE PAPERS OR GIVES BETTER RATEINGS. BEARS ON THE OTHER HAND ARE SLOW BREEDERS AND UNLESS THEY ARE A DANGER TO PEOPLE OR LIVESTOCK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO AT LEAST REGULATE HOW MANY COULD BE TAKEN BASED ON POPULATION IN A AREA. Last edited by VANDOO; 19th February 2005 at 07:55 PM.

18th February 2005, 09:50 PM	#2
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	Sweet weapon and congratulations! My first impression of the "trophies" on that one is that they have a distinct talismantic effect, like the tusk balls on some of the swords from Nias, as compared to the "effect" teeth on the tourist pieces from Irianjaya. As an aside, I watched "Fairwell to the King", with Nick Nolte again last night and a very similar piece (hopefully also in prop form) and some beautiful Dayak shields were used in the early combat scenes. Again, congratulations on aquiring a truly beautiful weapon. Mike

19th February 2005, 02:58 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The tip of the blade reminds a garden variety meat cleaver... exactly the intended purpose. Brutal piece. Radu, perhaps these are trophies from Ceausescu's private hunt? There was a great article in the New Yorker about it: the bastard used to kill 30-40 bears in one day.

19th February 2005, 05:22 AM	#5
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Well, three weeks ago in Romania was a huge scandal as the former prime minister and a proeminent bussinesman, former International tennis champion Ion Tiriac as they went into a hunt (read massacre) that would make former shahs of Persia blush: they shot almost two hundred boars in one morning. How about that ?

19th February 2005, 09:57 PM	#9
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	Barry is 100% correct. Even though the "wild boar" is native to Europe and Central Asia, throughout most of its range the large predators have been eliminated leaving huge herds that can actually be a real danger to humans as pigs, like ourselves, are omnivores, and when vegetable fair is inaddequate will turn carnivore so that not only are crops ravaged, but even small children are at serious risk. Here in Fla. all "wild boar" are only ferel pigs, thus non-native and 100% distructive to what small amount of the enviroment hasn't been paved over yet and may even have a bounty on them, open for taking at anytime in areas approved for hunting. Bears, on the other hand, ARE endangered in many areas and may well soon be things that are only seen in photos and zoos, plus their gall bladders are on the Chinese traditional medicine list, a death knell for any species. Even 75% of the world's seahorses are endangered as Asian Viagra Mike