Moro Kris for comment

Atlantia · 11th June 2011, 07:47 PM

I'll let the pictures do the talking:

Rick · 11th June 2011, 09:26 PM

Will you restore it ?

Atlantia · 11th June 2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Will you restore it ?

Hi Rick,

Restore it?
I doubt it TBH, I don't know much about these.

Am I right in thinking it's an old blade in later dress?

Thanks
Gene

Rick · 11th June 2011, 09:49 PM

Hi Gene, sure looks like it to me; Older Maranao(?) blade anyway .

It is missing a asang asang (blade stirrup); the scabbard looks to have some age though possibly not original; how's the blade fit ?

Rick

Atlantia · 11th June 2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Hi Gene, sure looks like it to me; Older Maranao(?) blade anyway .

It is missing a asang asang (blade stirrup); the scabbard looks to have some age though possibly not original; how's the blade fit ?

Rick

Hi Rick,

Hmmm, I have to admit I don't know what that means (Maranao), lol!
I noticed the blade stirrup was missing. You think the scabbard could be good?
It appears to be painted with some kind of black stain that hasn't soaked in.
Would probobly come off?
Should I?
Scabbard seems a good fit.
Any guess as to the date of the blade?

Thanks again
Gene

Battara · 11th June 2011, 11:04 PM

Only thing is the hilt - not sure about it. Looks kind of Malaysian.......

BTW - Maranao is a Moro tribe in the Philippines living in northern Mindanao Island.

Also I see that the scabbard may have have had 6 or so small metal bands originally and the wrap on the hilt is a later addition.

Atlantia · 11th June 2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Only thing is the hilt - not sure about it. Looks kind of Malaysian.......

BTW - Maranao is a Moro tribe in the Philippines living in northern Mindanao Island.

Also I see that the scabbard may have have had 6 or so small metal bands originally and the wrap on the hilt is a later addition.

Ello mate

Thanks, thats very interesting.

The ferrule is pretty ugly too.
Ahh, I see what you mean about the mounts. Would you strip the dark 'stain' off and reveal the wood?
What date would you put on the blade?

Best
Gene

Rick · 11th June 2011, 11:49 PM

A blade like this, IMO, is 19th I would guess,*only* a guess tho .

Atlantia · 11th June 2011, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

A blade like this, IMO, is 19th I would guess,*only* a guess tho .

At least its got reasonable age then.
Thanks
Gene

Maurice · 11th June 2011, 11:56 PM

Hi Gene,

Indeed a very different pommel..but it looks old though.
I also agree that the windings and the ferrule (is it damar?) are latter.
The scabbard I would leave it in the condition it is now. If you remove the dark stain, you probably will get a very "naked" scabbard....

Very different scabbardtip also....

I like the blade, and it looks old to me.
Can you see if the elephanttrunk has broken off in the past?

Kind Regards,
Maurice

Battara · 12th June 2011, 12:38 AM

I agree with Maurice in keeping the dark stain/patina on the scabbard.

Atlantia · 12th June 2011, 12:53 AM

Thanks guys,
Sorry Maurice I don't know where the elephants trunk is?
The pommel doesn't look to have been broken at any time, is that the elephants head?

Maurice · 12th June 2011, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Thanks guys,
Sorry Maurice I don't know where the elephants trunk is?
The pommel doesn't look to have been broken at any time, is that the elephants head?

I mean here in the yellow circle.
Normally this "trunk" is a bit longer as on yours?

Atlantia · 12th June 2011, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

I mean here in the yellow circle.
Normally this "trunk" is a bit longer as on yours?

LOL, I'd never have guessed!
Doesn't seem any rougher than the rest, but there is certainly wear to the blade so possibly longer once I guess?

Battara · 12th June 2011, 03:22 AM

Yes most likely it curled into the empty space.

Sajen · 12th June 2011, 04:37 PM

Hi Gene,

another fine and interesting addition to your collection. Agree with Maurice and Jose to let the scabbard alone. The form of the scabbard remind to some keris sheaths from northern regions of Sumatra. When I am you I would leave it like this. I only would try to etch it to see if there is a lamination.

Regards,

Detlef

Atlantia · 12th June 2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Gene,

another fine and interesting addition to your collection. Agree with Maurice and Jose to let the scabbard alone. The form of the scabbard remind to some keris sheaths from northern regions of Sumatra. When I am you I would leave it like this. I only would try to etch it to see if there is a lamination.

Regards,

Detlef

Hi Detlef,

It came with the collection of items, of which many seem to have a direct or possible Sumatran attribution.
However, there was another possible Filipino dagger with a heavy wavy blade.

I'll do as you chaps say and leave the scabbard on this one then. A buff with a soft cloth only perhaps?

Best
Gene

Atlantia · 12th June 2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Yes most likely it curled into the empty space.

Ahh, another worn old warrior?
It has that rather ugly 'sandblasted' look to the sirface of the metal that so many Kris seem to get one the contrast is lost. Not sure what to do with it TBH.

Sajen · 12th June 2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Ahh, another worn old warrior?
It has that rather ugly 'sandblasted' look to the sirface of the metal that so many Kris seem to get one the contrast is lost. Not sure what to do with it TBH.

Hi Gene,

try to etch it, this is not a big effort and will bring out a possible nice lamination.
you can use vinegar from your wifes kitchen, heat the blade and vinegar and use a brush. Normally it will work after a short time.

Regards,

Detlef

Atlantia · 12th June 2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Gene,

try to etch it, this is not a big effort and will bring out a possible nice lamination.
you can use vinegar from your wifes kitchen, heat the blade and vinegar and use a brush. Normally it will work after a short time.

Regards,

Detlef

Thanks Detlef.

Would that be better than FeCl for these?

Sajen · 12th June 2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Thanks Detlef.

Would that be better than FeCl for these?

You can use FeCl as well. Vinegar will give a more soft etch what I prefer but this is a personal choice.

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 12th June 2011, 06:38 PM

IF you use FeCl mix it with a little distilled water, say 1/2 and 1/2?

Etch the blade and see what comes out.

On the scabbard, the most I would do is place bands of either brass or silver. Otherwise leave the wood alone. On the blade, it should have a clamp on it, maybe silver, as well as etch it.

Atlantia · 12th June 2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

IF you use FeCl mix it with a little distilled water, say 1/2 and 1/2?

Etch the blade and see what comes out.

On the scabbard, the most I would do is place bands of either brass or silver. Otherwise leave the wood alone. On the blade, it should have a clamp on it, maybe silver, as well as etch it.

Thanks, I don't suppose you have any pictures of examples of how the scabbard should look, or ideas for remaking the clamp do you?

I can see some areas where it looks like there were originally bands on the scabbard. What do you think these holes were for?

kino · 13th June 2011, 01:53 AM

Atlantia,
I like it.
Thanks for posting photos of this Kris.

Battara · 13th June 2011, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Thanks, I don't suppose you have any pictures of examples of how the scabbard should look, or ideas for remaking the clamp do you?

I can see some areas where it looks like there were originally bands on the scabbard. What do you think these holes were for?

I have made clamps before for people and bands for scabbards........

On the holes - sometimes small rods/plugs kept different parts of the scabbard together.

11th June 2011, 07:47 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Moro Kris for comment I'll let the pictures do the talking: Attached Images

11th June 2011, 11:04 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Only thing is the hilt - not sure about it. Looks kind of Malaysian....... BTW - Maranao is a Moro tribe in the Philippines living in northern Mindanao Island. Also I see that the scabbard may have have had 6 or so small metal bands originally and the wrap on the hilt is a later addition. Last edited by Battara; 11th June 2011 at 11:15 PM.

11th June 2011, 09:26 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Will you restore it ?

11th June 2011, 09:49 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hi Gene, sure looks like it to me; Older Maranao(?) blade anyway . It is missing a asang asang (blade stirrup); the scabbard looks to have some age though possibly not original; how's the blade fit ? Rick

11th June 2011, 11:49 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	A blade like this, IMO, is 19th I would guess,only a guess tho .

11th June 2011, 11:56 PM	#10
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,346	Hi Gene, Indeed a very different pommel..but it looks old though. I also agree that the windings and the ferrule (is it damar?) are latter. The scabbard I would leave it in the condition it is now. If you remove the dark stain, you probably will get a very "naked" scabbard.... Very different scabbardtip also.... I like the blade, and it looks old to me. Can you see if the elephanttrunk has broken off in the past? Kind Regards, Maurice

12th June 2011, 12:38 AM	#11
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	I agree with Maurice in keeping the dark stain/patina on the scabbard.

12th June 2011, 12:53 AM	#12
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Thanks guys, Sorry Maurice I don't know where the elephants trunk is? The pommel doesn't look to have been broken at any time, is that the elephants head?

12th June 2011, 03:22 AM	#15
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Yes most likely it curled into the empty space.

12th June 2011, 04:37 PM	#16
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hi Gene, another fine and interesting addition to your collection. Agree with Maurice and Jose to let the scabbard alone. The form of the scabbard remind to some keris sheaths from northern regions of Sumatra. When I am you I would leave it like this. I only would try to etch it to see if there is a lamination. Regards, Detlef

12th June 2011, 06:38 PM	#22
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	IF you use FeCl mix it with a little distilled water, say 1/2 and 1/2? Etch the blade and see what comes out. On the scabbard, the most I would do is place bands of either brass or silver. Otherwise leave the wood alone. On the blade, it should have a clamp on it, maybe silver, as well as etch it.

13th June 2011, 01:53 AM	#24
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Atlantia, I like it. Thanks for posting photos of this Kris.