Turkish military?

harrywagner · 8th January 2016, 01:59 PM

This is my own personal bad penny. I think it might be from Turkey. A friend said he thought it looked like military issue. It is worn enough that I think it has some age. Can anyone help identify it? TIA.

Harry

Battara · 8th January 2016, 05:24 PM

Bad penny?.......well..........

This is a tourist piece in the stye of the Ottoman WWI officer's jambiya. Turkish made? - yes. Antique - no.

Sorry for the bad news..........

harrywagner · 8th January 2016, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Bad penny?.......well..........

This is a tourist piece in the stye of the Ottoman WWI officer's jambiya. Turkish made? - yes. Antique - no.

Sorry for the bad news..........

It's alright. Thanks for letting me know.

Sancar · 9th January 2016, 05:50 AM

Looks like a copy of a WWI "Enveriye" dagger. I don't think it is Turkish made. Local wallhanger daggers for tourist market are far worse than this. Possibly from Syria or other Arabic countries. Syrian-made "ottoman" fakes are all over the market nowadays.

Oriental-Arms · 9th January 2016, 09:32 AM

The original one, numbered and dated 1334 (1915)

harrywagner · 9th January 2016, 01:02 PM

Thanks everyone. I appreciate the help. I almost did not post this knife as I never considered it might be a fake. I am glad I did. I prefer to know what I have. The photos of the real deal are especially helpful. I tried to return this one but, like a bad penny, it came back. The good news is that it is the last item in my collection that I am not completely certain of. This group has been extremely patient with me. Thanks for that. I have been on the "fast track" with my collection. I did not start until I was already an old geezer, and made more than a few questionable purchases in an attempt to get some experience. I came to my senses a few months ago and have completely given up ePray. My new mantra is "buy only from dealers and other collectors". Thanks again. I very much appreciate the help.

Harry

Battara · 9th January 2016, 04:55 PM

No problem.

The only stupid question is the one not asked...........

Thank you Sancar: I didn't know that Syrians were making fakes of these.

Your question helped me learn (and I have a lot to learn

)........

A.alnakkas · 9th January 2016, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrywagner

Thanks everyone. I appreciate the help. I almost did not post this knife as I never considered it might be a fake. I am glad I did. I prefer to know what I have. The photos of the real deal are especially helpful. I tried to return this one but, like a bad penny, it came back. The good news is that it is the last item in my collection that I am not completely certain of. This group has been extremely patient with me. Thanks for that. I have been on the "fast track" with my collection. I did not start until I was already an old geezer, and made more than a few questionable purchases in an attempt to get some experience. I came to my senses a few months ago and have completely given up ePray. My new mantra is "buy only from dealers and other collectors". Thanks again. I very much appreciate the help.

Harry

Hey Harry,

Buy books, lots of books. And try to specialize. The more you specialize into one region (the Muslim world is vast and each region is different) the less fakes end up in your collection, you simply end up knowing all that is needed :-)

Battara · 10th January 2016, 02:13 AM

TRUE 'DAT! No substitute for research. I don't like to buy anything I haven't researched.

8th January 2016, 01:59 PM	#1
harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	Turkish military? This is my own personal bad penny. I think it might be from Turkey. A friend said he thought it looked like military issue. It is worn enough that I think it has some age. Can anyone help identify it? TIA. Harry Attached Images

9th January 2016, 09:32 AM	#5
Oriental-Arms Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 183	The original one The original one, numbered and dated 1334 (1915) Attached Images

9th January 2016, 01:02 PM	#6
harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	Thanks Thanks everyone. I appreciate the help. I almost did not post this knife as I never considered it might be a fake. I am glad I did. I prefer to know what I have. The photos of the real deal are especially helpful. I tried to return this one but, like a bad penny, it came back. The good news is that it is the last item in my collection that I am not completely certain of. This group has been extremely patient with me. Thanks for that. I have been on the "fast track" with my collection. I did not start until I was already an old geezer, and made more than a few questionable purchases in an attempt to get some experience. I came to my senses a few months ago and have completely given up ePray. My new mantra is "buy only from dealers and other collectors". Thanks again. I very much appreciate the help. Harry

8th January 2016, 05:24 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Bad penny?.......well.......... This is a tourist piece in the stye of the Ottoman WWI officer's jambiya. Turkish made? - yes. Antique - no. Sorry for the bad news..........

9th January 2016, 05:50 AM	#4
Sancar Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 79	Looks like a copy of a WWI "Enveriye" dagger. I don't think it is Turkish made. Local wallhanger daggers for tourist market are far worse than this. Possibly from Syria or other Arabic countries. Syrian-made "ottoman" fakes are all over the market nowadays.

9th January 2016, 04:55 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	No problem. The only stupid question is the one not asked........... Thank you Sancar: I didn't know that Syrians were making fakes of these. Your question helped me learn (and I have a lot to learn )........

10th January 2016, 02:13 AM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	TRUE 'DAT! No substitute for research. I don't like to buy anything I haven't researched.