Indian gun help translation

Edward F · 25th March 2018, 08:55 PM

I think this is a cool gun ,must have been owned by important person for tiger hunting.Why image of ostrich ? need help with translation upper right is date I have that as 1774 but I'm at alose for the rest .
Thanks for the help

Oliver Pinchot · 25th March 2018, 09:05 PM

This is Ottoman work. The barrel is dated 1177 a.h. (1763/4 c.e.) and bears the names of the maker and owner; these could be read if the pic was clearer. Lock is of an age with the barrel give or take a few decades. Stock is Ottoman provinces, first or second quarter of the 20th century.

rickystl · 1st April 2018, 07:22 PM

Hi Edward

Don't know how I missed your Thread earlier on. Very interesting gun. And I'm sure Oliver's assessment is correct. The stock does seem like a later styling exercise utilizing an early lock and barrel. While well executed, notice the fine carvings on the stock show little to no wear. Possibly the gun was made for sport hunting, or just an artist's conception from the owner's imagination (?)
The lock is a very common style of miquelet utilized on many different guns throughout much of the Ottoman Empire. And the breech of the barrel also looks to be Ottoman in design. It's a very interesting curiosity. I like it.

If you get a chance, maybe you could post some additional photos and description such as barrel length, rifled or smoothbore, caliber, etc. for us Eastern gun enthusiests. LOL Some pics of the muzzle end, trigger guard, butt plate, etc.

Thanks for posting.

Rick

Edward F · 2nd April 2018, 12:04 AM

Rick I agree Oliver is most likely correct although I am disappointed I got the date wrong anyway some additional pics ,Barrel length 70cm or 27 1/2inches.I love the gun,I think of it as art work.Rick thanks for the interest I love this stuff just don't have the time
Oliver Thanks for the input (ed from east coast)

25th March 2018, 08:55 PM	#1
Edward F Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 54	Indian gun help translation I think this is a cool gun ,must have been owned by important person for tiger hunting.Why image of ostrich ? need help with translation upper right is date I have that as 1774 but I'm at alose for the rest . Thanks for the help Attached Images

2nd April 2018, 12:04 AM	#4
Edward F Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 54	Rick I agree Oliver is most likely correct although I am disappointed I got the date wrong anyway some additional pics ,Barrel length 70cm or 27 1/2inches.I love the gun,I think of it as art work.Rick thanks for the interest I love this stuff just don't have the time Oliver Thanks for the input (ed from east coast) Attached Images

25th March 2018, 09:05 PM	#2
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	This is Ottoman work. The barrel is dated 1177 a.h. (1763/4 c.e.) and bears the names of the maker and owner; these could be read if the pic was clearer. Lock is of an age with the barrel give or take a few decades. Stock is Ottoman provinces, first or second quarter of the 20th century.

1st April 2018, 07:22 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Edward Don't know how I missed your Thread earlier on. Very interesting gun. And I'm sure Oliver's assessment is correct. The stock does seem like a later styling exercise utilizing an early lock and barrel. While well executed, notice the fine carvings on the stock show little to no wear. Possibly the gun was made for sport hunting, or just an artist's conception from the owner's imagination (?) The lock is a very common style of miquelet utilized on many different guns throughout much of the Ottoman Empire. And the breech of the barrel also looks to be Ottoman in design. It's a very interesting curiosity. I like it. If you get a chance, maybe you could post some additional photos and description such as barrel length, rifled or smoothbore, caliber, etc. for us Eastern gun enthusiests. LOL Some pics of the muzzle end, trigger guard, butt plate, etc. Thanks for posting. Rick