Interesting tulwar

Andy Davis · 20th October 2005, 08:37 PM

Pretty basic in design and not unusual but I havent come across many with brass handles, that havent been the decorative wall hangers. This is not one of those. Solidly built and very crisp decoration but whats with the design?
Two fish, nose to tail enclosing the numbers 341
Anyone come acorss similar before?
Cheers
Andy

Jens Nordlunde · 21st October 2005, 04:21 PM

Hi Andy,

You are right, it is not so often one sees a brass tulwar hilt, and to see one with a fish decoration like the one you show, placed on the square (chowk), is even more seldom, but I have seen one not so long ago. The hilt was of steel, covered in a floral decoration in relief with gold koft gari. There were two small silver plates, one on the square with two fish like yours in relief, but without a number, and one higher up on the hilt showing a flower. From the decoration on the hilt, I would say it was from North India.

In Nepal and North India the fish represent the first reincarnation of Vishnu, and is associated directly to him. The fish was worshipped all over India, but in some places more than in others.

B.I · 21st October 2005, 05:33 PM

hi andy,
as both you and jens say, it isnt often you find a brass hilt of pure tulwar form. i like it and its simplicity. its form is actually good quality and it reeks of north india, and the decorative solid silver hilts.
the european numbers hint at an armoury of sorts, and i wonder if the fish design was not done at the same time (ie. by european hands). as jens noted, the dual fish is an indian symbol, but also found in europe. do you feel the numbers were inserted between the fish design, or incorporated as part of the design?
either way, its a nice find.

Andy Davis · 22nd October 2005, 11:06 AM

With such a basic style its hard to give the best impression of an item sometimes. This is one of those! So crisply built and with a very usable weight. Looking at the fish and the number. I would say both seem to be contemporary to the build of the sword, looking in comparison to the workmanship and wear to the engraving on the langlet. Therefore, original arsnel mark for somewhere under European influence. Early enough for Dutch or French region? or more likely to be a British area?
Cheers
Amdy

20th October 2005, 08:37 PM	#1
Andy Davis Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: England, Northumberland Posts: 85	Interesting tulwar Pretty basic in design and not unusual but I havent come across many with brass handles, that havent been the decorative wall hangers. This is not one of those. Solidly built and very crisp decoration but whats with the design? Two fish, nose to tail enclosing the numbers 341 Anyone come acorss similar before? Cheers Andy Attached Images

22nd October 2005, 11:06 AM	#4
Andy Davis Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: England, Northumberland Posts: 85	Photos dont tell it well With such a basic style its hard to give the best impression of an item sometimes. This is one of those! So crisply built and with a very usable weight. Looking at the fish and the number. I would say both seem to be contemporary to the build of the sword, looking in comparison to the workmanship and wear to the engraving on the langlet. Therefore, original arsnel mark for somewhere under European influence. Early enough for Dutch or French region? or more likely to be a British area? Cheers Amdy

21st October 2005, 04:21 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Andy, You are right, it is not so often one sees a brass tulwar hilt, and to see one with a fish decoration like the one you show, placed on the square (chowk), is even more seldom, but I have seen one not so long ago. The hilt was of steel, covered in a floral decoration in relief with gold koft gari. There were two small silver plates, one on the square with two fish like yours in relief, but without a number, and one higher up on the hilt showing a flower. From the decoration on the hilt, I would say it was from North India. In Nepal and North India the fish represent the first reincarnation of Vishnu, and is associated directly to him. The fish was worshipped all over India, but in some places more than in others.

21st October 2005, 05:33 PM	#3
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi andy, as both you and jens say, it isnt often you find a brass hilt of pure tulwar form. i like it and its simplicity. its form is actually good quality and it reeks of north india, and the decorative solid silver hilts. the european numbers hint at an armoury of sorts, and i wonder if the fish design was not done at the same time (ie. by european hands). as jens noted, the dual fish is an indian symbol, but also found in europe. do you feel the numbers were inserted between the fish design, or incorporated as part of the design? either way, its a nice find.