Keris for comment, and dapur request. Keris madura lok 11, dapur carita Kaprabon?

kulbuntet · 16th March 2011, 07:29 PM

Hi all, her some photo's of a Keris madura(?), lok 11. I cant figure out what dapur it is. All ricikan i see are... 2 lambe gajah, kembang kacang, Jalen, Sraweyan, Sogokan, Greneng( not sure, worn off), Pijetan, Gusen.

Anny ideas are welcome, so are comments in general.

Regards
Ab

Amuk Murugul · 18th March 2011, 02:02 AM

Hullo Ab,

In the absence of other input so far, here is my twee-duit's worth:
It's very difficult to determine the dapur from photos ( It also depends on which protocol you follow).
However, from what you say and looking at the photos, perhaps you may wish to look at the following: Sabuk Inten, Carita, Carita Kalentang.

Hope it helps,

mvg.

PenangsangII · 18th March 2011, 03:32 AM

I am not sure how this keris is attributed to madura.

From the photos, it looks like Mataraman (Senopaten style).
Dapur could be Charita Keprabhon or the ones Amuk Murugul suggested.

A. G. Maisey · 18th March 2011, 07:08 AM

There are a couple of problems with this keris, firstly we cannot see if it had greneng or not.

If it had greneng it is either Carita Prasaja, or Carita Keprabon ( Pakem Surakarta)

If it did not have greneng it is diluar pakem according to the Surakarta Pakem --- but it could well have an assigned dhapur according to a different pakem.

The other problem is the blumbangan:- this is boto adeg

A Mataram keris has a square blumbangan, not one like a brick standing on end.

Majapahit has boto adeg, so does Surakarta, and Banten may or may not have boto adeg.

This is definitely not a Madura keris --- but it does have a nice Madura hilt.

Frankly, I'm not prepared to give an opinion on what classification this keris might be, but based upon what I can see I am quite prepared to say what it cannot be, and it cannot be Madura.

kulbuntet · 20th March 2011, 09:53 PM

Gentlemen,
Thank you all for input. If i can be in help to post more photo's or phot of a special detail, please let me now.

I named het Keris Madura Dua to the Hilt and Mendak combination, the sarung could be Solo, or other Jawa.. I dont think it's Madura, since i dont know a Madura Waranka like it. Anny extra input and info appriciated.

Regards.

16th March 2011, 07:29 PM	#1
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Keris for comment, and dapur request. Keris madura lok 11, dapur carita Kaprabon? Hi all, her some photo's of a Keris madura(?), lok 11. I cant figure out what dapur it is. All ricikan i see are... 2 lambe gajah, kembang kacang, Jalen, Sraweyan, Sogokan, Greneng( not sure, worn off), Pijetan, Gusen. Anny ideas are welcome, so are comments in general. Regards Ab Last edited by kulbuntet; 16th March 2011 at 07:47 PM.

18th March 2011, 02:02 AM	#2
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo Ab, In the absence of other input so far, here is my twee-duit's worth: It's very difficult to determine the dapur from photos ( It also depends on which protocol you follow). However, from what you say and looking at the photos, perhaps you may wish to look at the following: Sabuk Inten, Carita, Carita Kalentang. Hope it helps, mvg. Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 18th March 2011 at 03:37 AM.

18th March 2011, 03:32 AM	#3
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I am not sure how this keris is attributed to madura. From the photos, it looks like Mataraman (Senopaten style). Dapur could be Charita Keprabhon or the ones Amuk Murugul suggested.

18th March 2011, 07:08 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	There are a couple of problems with this keris, firstly we cannot see if it had greneng or not. If it had greneng it is either Carita Prasaja, or Carita Keprabon ( Pakem Surakarta) If it did not have greneng it is diluar pakem according to the Surakarta Pakem --- but it could well have an assigned dhapur according to a different pakem. The other problem is the blumbangan:- this is boto adeg A Mataram keris has a square blumbangan, not one like a brick standing on end. Majapahit has boto adeg, so does Surakarta, and Banten may or may not have boto adeg. This is definitely not a Madura keris --- but it does have a nice Madura hilt. Frankly, I'm not prepared to give an opinion on what classification this keris might be, but based upon what I can see I am quite prepared to say what it cannot be, and it cannot be Madura.

20th March 2011, 09:53 PM	#5
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Gentlemen, Thank you all for input. If i can be in help to post more photo's or phot of a special detail, please let me now. I named het Keris Madura Dua to the Hilt and Mendak combination, the sarung could be Solo, or other Jawa.. I dont think it's Madura, since i dont know a Madura Waranka like it. Anny extra input and info appriciated. Regards.