Moro weapons

ariel · 29th April 2007, 03:17 AM

This is a quotation from a Moro weapon identification plaque on e-bay ( I am NOT referring specifically to a particular e-bay item because of the general Forum policy):
Weapons included are:

Capa-capa ax
Patul ax
Two (2) Sankul spears
Three (3) Taming spears in a hand painted Karasak carrier
Six (6) Agong arrows
Gunong
Kalis
Barong
Kampilan
Gayang
Laring
Banjal
Pinsainali
Janap
Susuwat
Sangot
Punal
Kris
Kamrilan
Janaz
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Pira
Utak
Panabas
Bankow
Zahot
Binakoko
Pamarilan
Kangbantuli
Bangkon
Lahot
Karasak
Agong
Taming
Balasiong
I have heard of some and seen some in different collections, but most ( in red) are a complete mystery to me.
Can Moro collectors, please explain what these mean and, perhaps, provide examples.
Thanks.

Steven C. · 29th April 2007, 04:43 AM

Hm, I do know a Balisong is a slang term in the PI for a butterfly knife. Thats whats most likely meant by balasiong.

mross · 30th April 2007, 08:48 PM

Kalis = kris(VS definition), from one of the Moro dialects, which one escapes me right now. Which is bad because that is my prefered term.

VANDOO · 1st May 2007, 12:42 AM

PERHAPS A SEARCH OF THE OLD FORUM USING SOME OF THE TERMS USED ON THE PLACK MIGHT TURN SOMETHING UP. I THINK THERE ARE ALSO SOME POSTS ON THE WEAPONS OF MORLOLAND PLACKS IN THERE ALSO. GOOD LUCK

Ian · 1st May 2007, 11:30 PM

Ariel:

Some of the terms that you have questions about are alternative spellings of better recognized words (e.g., bangkung, kampilan). Others are taken from the names of weapons used in Borneo or the Celebes. I am away from my references at the present time but will get back to you when I am home again.

You may find some of the unusual terms in v. Zonneveld, especially the ones adopted from Borneo tribes.

Ian.

Rick · 4th October 2008, 10:23 PM

Dredging this up to add a photo.

From top to bottom :

Balacion
Kiya
Lug Log
Mabaui
Bolo

Nonoy Tan · 5th October 2008, 08:52 AM

Hi Ariel,

"Sankul" or "Sangkil" is a multi-pronged spear used for fishing.
"Taming" is a round wooden shield.
"Bankow" or "Bangkaw" is a general term a spear with a leaf-shaped point

Nonoy

Nonoy Tan · 5th October 2008, 09:02 AM

Correction ... the "Sapang" IS the multi-pronged spear; while the "Sangkil" is a spear/harpoon with a single-barbed head. Both spears are used for fishing.

Nonoy Tan · 5th October 2008, 09:13 AM

Here are two other undescribed types of spears from "moroland".

elevennevele · 5th October 2008, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nonoy Tan

Here are two other undescribed types of spears from "moroland".

The bottom one looks like it catches fish. Unless someone knows better, the second example is a tool and maybe the first too.

xasterix · 11th January 2019, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Dredging this up to add a photo.

From top to bottom :

Balacion
Kiya
Lug Log
Mabaui
Bolo

My apologies for necro-ing this thread. Sir Rick, may I have your source on this? I am greatly interested, thanks.

DaveA · 11th January 2019, 04:58 PM

As long as you dredged up this thread

Here is a web site selling new Filipino traditional weapons. I make no claim regarding authenticity, but it could be a useful site to identify some names and shapes of unfamiliar or rarely seen weapons such as the laring (on Ariel’s list).

Rick · 11th January 2019, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xasterix

My apologies for necro-ing this thread. Sir Rick, may I have your source on this? I am greatly interested, thanks.

Hi, if you'll note post #6 in this thread you will see the examples.

About all I can comment is that some Seller had either broken up the examples on a Moro weapons board, or bought a bunch of examples loose and auctioned them off in groups.
This was some years back; I put them in a shadow box on red cloth.

kai · 11th January 2019, 05:07 PM

Hello Dave,

You may want to reconsider - in the light of the forum rules as well as this recent posting:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...08&postcount=9

Regards,
Kai

mross · 11th January 2019, 05:20 PM

I would much more trust the descriptions here;

kai · 11th January 2019, 06:18 PM

Hello Mike,

I do understand your sentiments. However, I don't think we want this thread become dealers' links galore...

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 11th January 2019, 07:14 PM

Thanks Kai. Folks we can’t post links to commercial websites as per forum rules.

mross · 11th January 2019, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Thanks Kai. Folks we can’t post links to commercial websites as per forum rules.

Sorry bout that, my bad, been awhile since I looked at the rules.

Battara · 12th January 2019, 03:50 AM

I understand. Just a gentle reminder.

29th April 2007, 03:17 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Moro weapons This is a quotation from a Moro weapon identification plaque on e-bay ( I am NOT referring specifically to a particular e-bay item because of the general Forum policy): Weapons included are: Capa-capa ax Patul ax Two (2) Sankul spears Three (3) Taming spears in a hand painted Karasak carrier Six (6) Agong arrows Gunong Kalis Barong Kampilan Gayang Laring Banjal Pinsainali Janap Susuwat Sangot Punal Kris Kamrilan Janaz [/COLOR] Pira Utak Panabas Bankow Zahot Binakoko Pamarilan Kangbantuli Bangkon Lahot Karasak Agong Taming Balasiong I have heard of some and seen some in different collections, but most ( in red) are a complete mystery to me. Can Moro collectors, please explain what these mean and, perhaps, provide examples. Thanks.

5th October 2008, 09:13 AM	#9
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Here are two other undescribed types of spears from "moroland". Attached Images

11th January 2019, 04:58 PM	#12
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 413	Filipino weapons As long as you dredged up this thread Here is a web site selling new Filipino traditional weapons. I make no claim regarding authenticity, but it could be a useful site to identify some names and shapes of unfamiliar or rarely seen weapons such as the laring (on Ariel’s list). Last edited by Rick; 11th January 2019 at 06:22 PM. Reason: commercial link

11th January 2019, 05:07 PM	#14
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	What's in a (companies') name? Hello Dave, You may want to reconsider - in the light of the forum rules as well as this recent posting: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...08&postcount=9 Regards, Kai

11th January 2019, 05:20 PM	#15
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	I would much more trust the descriptions here; Last edited by Rick; 11th January 2019 at 06:22 PM. Reason: commercial link

29th April 2007, 04:43 AM	#2
Steven C. Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Port Richey, Florida Posts: 20	Hm, I do know a Balisong is a slang term in the PI for a butterfly knife. Thats whats most likely meant by balasiong.

30th April 2007, 08:48 PM	#3
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Kalis = kris(VS definition), from one of the Moro dialects, which one escapes me right now. Which is bad because that is my prefered term.

1st May 2007, 12:42 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	PERHAPS A SEARCH OF THE OLD FORUM USING SOME OF THE TERMS USED ON THE PLACK MIGHT TURN SOMETHING UP. I THINK THERE ARE ALSO SOME POSTS ON THE WEAPONS OF MORLOLAND PLACKS IN THERE ALSO. GOOD LUCK

1st May 2007, 11:30 PM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,207	Ariel: Some of the terms that you have questions about are alternative spellings of better recognized words (e.g., bangkung, kampilan). Others are taken from the names of weapons used in Borneo or the Celebes. I am away from my references at the present time but will get back to you when I am home again. You may find some of the unusual terms in v. Zonneveld, especially the ones adopted from Borneo tribes. Ian.

4th October 2008, 10:23 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Dredging this up to add a photo. From top to bottom : Balacion Kiya Lug Log Mabaui Bolo Attached Images

5th October 2008, 08:52 AM	#7
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Hi Ariel, "Sankul" or "Sangkil" is a multi-pronged spear used for fishing. "Taming" is a round wooden shield. "Bankow" or "Bangkaw" is a general term a spear with a leaf-shaped point Nonoy

5th October 2008, 09:02 AM	#8
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Correction ... the "Sapang" IS the multi-pronged spear; while the "Sangkil" is a spear/harpoon with a single-barbed head. Both spears are used for fishing.

11th January 2019, 06:18 PM	#16
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Mike, I do understand your sentiments. However, I don't think we want this thread become dealers' links galore... Regards, Kai

11th January 2019, 07:14 PM	#17
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Thanks Kai. Folks we can’t post links to commercial websites as per forum rules.

12th January 2019, 03:50 AM	#19
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	I understand. Just a gentle reminder.