crossbowgun

Spiridonov · 15th May 2010, 10:16 AM

Has somebody better quality photos of this crossbow? I need also length, width and other dimension parameters. I wish to help to one good men to make the replica of this:
"Crossbow, combined with wheel-lock rifle.
Inscription, initials, coats of arms and emblems of the medal of the golden fleece: Archduke Ferdinand I. of Austria and Anna von Boehmen.
Upper Italy (?), around 1520/26.
From Ambras Castle"

kisak · 15th May 2010, 11:55 AM

Here's a picture of it from Dolinek's The encyclopedia of European historical weapons. I can't recall there being much in the way of measurements in the book though.

Matchlock · 15th May 2010, 07:32 PM

Hi Alexander,

This is the earliest closely datable combined wheel-lock gun and crossbow. It came, as you said, from Schloss Ambras, The Tyrol, and is preserved in the Bavarian National Museum in Munich.

The measurements are:

Length overall: 73 cm
Length of barrel: 39.9 cm
Caliber: 9.8 mm smoothbore

I attach more images that I took myself. Sorry for the unusual poor quality but I took them during various visits there and was not always allowed to use flash. Moreover, they are 20 years old.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 15th May 2010, 07:39 PM

More.

Matchlock · 15th May 2010, 07:53 PM

Please note that the wheel-lock dog is incomplete, the top with the jaws is missing.

As is the case with the earliest matchlocks, there are no screws to the mechanism; all parts are riveted.

Michael

Matchlock · 15th May 2010, 08:42 PM

The inscription reads:

FERDINANDVS on the center of the octagonal rear section, inlaid in gold against the blued ground.

F and A on the stock, together with the arms of the Golden Fleece below an archduke's hat.

That's about all I can tell you, sorry.
I attach images of the Order of the Golden Fleece but not from that object.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 15th May 2010, 09:09 PM

And the Cross of Burgundy (Wikipedia).

m

Matchlock · 15th May 2010, 09:46 PM

Just one more note:

Alexander,

As you called it a rifle, please remember that the barrel is of course not rifled but, as I wrote, smoothbore.

m

Spiridonov · 15th June 2010, 08:25 AM

Is the wheel of the lock of this crossbowgun open or closed? I can't understand it looking at photo

Matchlock · 17th July 2010, 06:38 PM

Hi Alexander,

Please forgive me for not replying any earlier, I somehow must have overlooked your request.

If I am getting you right you wish to know whether the wheel is outside or inside the lockplate. It is outside but extremely small and narrow, like all earliest wheels on locks; it is centered by a spindle and surrounded by a very delicate sickle shaped dog spring.

Does this answer your question?

Spiridonov · 27th July 2010, 10:33 PM

My Belarus friend expresses huge gratitude to those who has answered in this topic. He has given the preliminary drawing for discussion. He will be made replica of this. I can give a high resolution drawing at email if somebody want

Spiridonov · 27th July 2010, 10:49 PM

a have upload it at www.vfl.ru
http://vfl.ru/i/20100728/655de8c20dd...013_1.jpg.html

15th May 2010, 10:16 AM	#1
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	crossbowgun Has somebody better quality photos of this crossbow? I need also length, width and other dimension parameters. I wish to help to one good men to make the replica of this: "Crossbow, combined with wheel-lock rifle. Inscription, initials, coats of arms and emblems of the medal of the golden fleece: Archduke Ferdinand I. of Austria and Anna von Boehmen. Upper Italy (?), around 1520/26. From Ambras Castle" Attached Images

15th May 2010, 11:55 AM	#2
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	Here's a picture of it from Dolinek's The encyclopedia of European historical weapons. I can't recall there being much in the way of measurements in the book though. Attached Images

15th May 2010, 07:32 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Alexander, This is the earliest closely datable combined wheel-lock gun and crossbow. It came, as you said, from Schloss Ambras, The Tyrol, and is preserved in the Bavarian National Museum in Munich. The measurements are: Length overall: 73 cm Length of barrel: 39.9 cm Caliber: 9.8 mm smoothbore I attach more images that I took myself. Sorry for the unusual poor quality but I took them during various visits there and was not always allowed to use flash. Moreover, they are 20 years old. Best, Michael Attached Images

15th May 2010, 07:39 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	More. Attached Images

15th May 2010, 08:42 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The inscription reads: FERDINANDVS on the center of the octagonal rear section, inlaid in gold against the blued ground. F and A on the stock, together with the arms of the Golden Fleece below an archduke's hat. That's about all I can tell you, sorry. I attach images of the Order of the Golden Fleece but not from that object. Best, Michael Attached Images

15th May 2010, 07:53 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Please note that the wheel-lock dog is incomplete, the top with the jaws is missing. As is the case with the earliest matchlocks, there are no screws to the mechanism; all parts are riveted. Michael

15th May 2010, 09:09 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	And the Cross of Burgundy (Wikipedia). m Attached Images

15th May 2010, 09:46 PM	#8
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Just one more note: Alexander, As you called it a rifle, please remember that the barrel is of course not rifled but, as I wrote, smoothbore. m

15th June 2010, 08:25 AM	#9
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Is the wheel of the lock of this crossbowgun open or closed? I can't understand it looking at photo

17th July 2010, 06:38 PM	#10
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Alexander, Please forgive me for not replying any earlier, I somehow must have overlooked your request. If I am getting you right you wish to know whether the wheel is outside or inside the lockplate. It is outside but extremely small and narrow, like all earliest wheels on locks; it is centered by a spindle and surrounded by a very delicate sickle shaped dog spring. Does this answer your question?

27th July 2010, 10:33 PM	#11
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	My Belarus friend expresses huge gratitude to those who has answered in this topic. He has given the preliminary drawing for discussion. He will be made replica of this. I can give a high resolution drawing at email if somebody want Attached Images

27th July 2010, 10:49 PM	#12
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	a have upload it at www.vfl.ru http://vfl.ru/i/20100728/655de8c20dd...013_1.jpg.html