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Here's an example of "tribal" Ottoman kard with what seems to be repurposed yataghan blade. the blade was likely damaged and re-fitted into kard at the time it was still in use. It has 6-twisted core Turkish Ribbon pattern, stylized cartouche and punched star-patterned symbols typical of Yataghan blades, and also three inscribed Arabic words/names. The handle is bone with brass studs, shell and coral inserts and ivory final. Similar handle decorations are found on Syrian shamshir handles of 19th C Ottoman period. so I think it could be of that area, or perhaps Balkan (Albanian?) Any comments are most welcome.
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a very nice example! I am trying to read, think the script was more complete than this but so far it makes no sense to me.
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Lotfy,
I agree, the words are likely an ineligible writing, in suite with the primitive cartouche imitation. One would expect better quality writing on relatively nice steel pattern. Usually these blades have 4-5 rows, this one is a bit more complex than average. Estcrh, There's dark marble-like patina on top surface - yes, walrus ivory it is. Again, one would expect better writing on a knife with some ivory, as it used to be expensive material. perhaps there's some beauty in such mix ![]() Also, re-hilting could have been done in Central Asia. See similar HERE Last edited by ALEX; 12th December 2015 at 09:36 PM. Reason: adding some text |
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I suspect the writing to be part of the names of the seven sleepers, which appear often on yataghans with Turkish ribbon blades. You can look for Zifir's translations in older threads and compare the script.
Very nice kard, Teodor |
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Perhaps these knives belonged to Turkmen (Turkomans), some tribes that live on the border with Turkey. It would be easy to explain the use of the Turkish blade.
http://www.ashokaarts.com/shop/large...damascus-blade |
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There was in the past a discussion here in the forum about these daggers
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12299 |
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All of the blades look to be from different sources.
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That is, in this case, in the absence of production of quality blades, for the manufacture of Turkmen kards, take any suitable blade, which fall into the hands of the master. |
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Mahratt, I had similar thoughts (reply #11 above). You are right of course, there were 300,000 Turkmens living in Syria, most near Turkish border.
As we saw, these kards are often attributed to Persia, Turkmenistan or Afghanistan regions, with Turkmen tribal being closest fit. However, having no bolsters, the distinct blade mounting and Ottoman-like decorations, Syrian Turkmen origin is quite plausible. The metal rings and inlays on the handle are also reminiscent of another Syrian "Majdel Shams" hilts and shamshir hilts produced in Syria during Ottoman period. Good discussion, thanks to all who responded! |
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Here is another example with the forte of a Persian shamshir being reformed into a kard blade.
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Lee, what an awesome kard!
Further shows the re-purposeful nature of this type, with many having blades from other weapons. What strikes me the most is similarity of handle/blade assembly. All have identical mounting technique with similar decoration elements. I am inclined to categorize it as Syrian-Turkmen Kard. Once again, thanks to all for great contribution into what could be a fascinating discovery. |
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