Navaja with questions

Sajen · 28th October 2018, 05:27 PM

Hello dear members,

I've bought my first navaja but my knowledge about this knives is very rudimentary and I hope that I get some answers to my questions from more knowledgeable members.
So far I know are this sort of navajas associated with France but this one is stamped clearly with Zaragoza which is in the North of Spain. The other inscription I can't read.

My questions: Is it a Spain navaja? How old is it? What is the scales material? Could it be celluloid?
The knife is opened 40,5 cm long, closed it is 22,3 cm, blade 19,5 cm and 4,5 mm thick at the base. Weight is 247 gram.

Thank you in advance for all comments!

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 28th October 2018, 05:37 PM

Have found by youtube a very similar one, stamped with Zaragoza at the blade and the handle/scales material seems to be very similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vhDaJExEB4

carlos · 28th October 2018, 08:09 PM

The blade is engraved Jun Valero, in some spanish forums says that valero imports this types of navajas from Thiers, France, to the spanish market.

Sajen · 28th October 2018, 10:39 PM

Thank you Carlos,

Very valuable information!

Any age guess?

Regards,
Detlef

Chris Evans · 29th October 2018, 02:55 AM

Detlef

As Carlos said, the current informed consensus is that they were made in France and distributed in Spain by Valero Jun. I am inclined to believe that this was indeed the case.

Cheers
Chris

Rick · 29th October 2018, 04:26 AM

Is there a particular reason that some of these French navajas do not have a positive lock when open?
Wouldn't inadvertent closing be a problem in a fight?

Chris Evans · 29th October 2018, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Is there a particular reason that some of these French navajas do not have a positive lock when open?
Wouldn't inadvertent closing be a problem in a fight?

In short, because folding knives with locks were banned and the French imports had to comply with this.

The long answer is somewhat more complex and perhaps you may look up the posts I made years ago on navajas, as this subject was discussed at some length time and again. Have a look at post #9 and #11 of this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...anual+baratero

Cheers
Chris

cookyboy1 · 18th December 2018, 10:11 PM

Love your navaga ,I don't know much about these knives so if you and other members can help identify this one I have I would be very greatfull.

18th December 2018, 10:11 PM	#8
cookyboy1 Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 7	Navaja Love your navaga ,I don't know much about these knives so if you and other members can help identify this one I have I would be very greatfull. Attached Images

28th October 2018, 05:27 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Navaja with questions Hello dear members, I've bought my first navaja but my knowledge about this knives is very rudimentary and I hope that I get some answers to my questions from more knowledgeable members. So far I know are this sort of navajas associated with France but this one is stamped clearly with Zaragoza which is in the North of Spain. The other inscription I can't read. My questions: Is it a Spain navaja? How old is it? What is the scales material? Could it be celluloid? The knife is opened 40,5 cm long, closed it is 22,3 cm, blade 19,5 cm and 4,5 mm thick at the base. Weight is 247 gram. Thank you in advance for all comments! Regards, Detlef Attached Images

28th October 2018, 05:37 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Have found by youtube a very similar one, stamped with Zaragoza at the blade and the handle/scales material seems to be very similar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vhDaJExEB4

28th October 2018, 08:09 PM	#3
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	The blade is engraved Jun Valero, in some spanish forums says that valero imports this types of navajas from Thiers, France, to the spanish market.

28th October 2018, 10:39 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Thank you Carlos, Very valuable information! Any age guess? Regards, Detlef

29th October 2018, 02:55 AM	#5
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 676	Detlef As Carlos said, the current informed consensus is that they were made in France and distributed in Spain by Valero Jun. I am inclined to believe that this was indeed the case. Cheers Chris

29th October 2018, 04:26 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Is there a particular reason that some of these French navajas do not have a positive lock when open? Wouldn't inadvertent closing be a problem in a fight?