Can anyone help me translate this?

TomHurstAntiques · 14th February 2016, 10:56 AM

I recently bought a Bedja sword that was bought back from the battle field.
Can anyone help me translate the mark?
Many thanks.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 14th February 2016, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TomHurstAntiques

I recently bought a Bedja sword that was bought back from the battle field.
Can anyone help me translate the mark?
Many thanks.

Salaams TomHurstAntiques, There is nothing to translate except the fact that this weapon has Dukari moons on it. These moon strike marks can be traced to European makers marks...although broadly speaking as they didnt actually totally belong to a specific maker... thus any sword factory was capable of turning them out... Toledo and Solingen did it and so... the mark was copied across Africa.

There is some conjecture deciding if the mark is European and then the sword being sold as a trade blade onto African markets or if in fact the strike was done locally. I suspect the latter.

see http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/kaskara/index.html

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

TomHurstAntiques · 15th February 2016, 10:41 PM

Thank you so much for your help.
Its a really romantic notion but I think your probably right.

Jim McDougall · 16th February 2016, 05:36 PM

As Ibrahiim has well described, these crescent moons were characteristic pairings used primarily by Hausa smiths in many examples of their blades across Saharan and Sudanese regions. These triple fullered blades are referred to as 'masri' and were native produced in considerable volumes.
While most are of course tempted to presume the 'romantic' notion of these being brought back from the battlefields in the Sudan (a good number were), the truth is that 'producing' souveniers became a notable cottage industry bringing the volume of these 'bringbacks' to staggering proportions.

These were actually produced in volume well into the 20th century and remained traditional accoutrements sought as souveniers in the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan.

It must be remembered that ethnographic arms such as these remain distinct examples of the profound tradition behind them. In the Sudan the native people recall Omdurman and the Mahdist period clearly and hold these weapons in the same esteem as then.

TomHurstAntiques · 14th December 2017, 11:02 PM

Thank you.

digenis · 18th December 2017, 05:16 PM

There were plenty recently made swords of that type when I visited the lake Nasser region near the Egyptian-Sudanese border a few years ago.

I am not expressing an opinion on yours.

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Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,945	As Ibrahiim has well described, these crescent moons were characteristic pairings used primarily by Hausa smiths in many examples of their blades across Saharan and Sudanese regions. These triple fullered blades are referred to as 'masri' and were native produced in considerable volumes. While most are of course tempted to presume the 'romantic' notion of these being brought back from the battlefields in the Sudan (a good number were), the truth is that 'producing' souveniers became a notable cottage industry bringing the volume of these 'bringbacks' to staggering proportions. These were actually produced in volume well into the 20th century and remained traditional accoutrements sought as souveniers in the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan. It must be remembered that ethnographic arms such as these remain distinct examples of the profound tradition behind them. In the Sudan the native people recall Omdurman and the Mahdist period clearly and hold these weapons in the same esteem as then.

14th December 2017, 11:02 PM	#5
TomHurstAntiques Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Dorset Posts: 38	Thank you.

18th December 2017, 05:16 PM	#6
digenis Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 48	There were plenty recently made swords of that type when I visited the lake Nasser region near the Egyptian-Sudanese border a few years ago. I am not expressing an opinion on yours.