Shibriya for comments

mariusgmioc · 14th October 2017, 12:00 PM

Hello,

This is the best Shibriya I have found to buy. I would appreciate any comments.
Can anybody help with the translation of the writting on the blade please?

Marius

Sajen · 14th October 2017, 01:51 PM

Hello Marius,

good workmanship but I am afraid, it's very recent.

Regards,
Detlef

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 14th October 2017, 02:40 PM

In common with many weapons of this type the makers name is usually present ...Made By...(amal) and a date... as seen on your example.

mariusgmioc · 14th October 2017, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Marius,

good workmanship but I am afraid, it's very recent.

Regards,
Detlef

Hello Detlef,

Why "afraid"?!

As long as it is genuine, made with traditional materials and workmanship, I don't care if it was made tomorrow (btw. I believe mine to be from the 90'). I have many exceptional pieces in my collection that were made in the last 17 years.

I would only be afraid if it were made in China or India...

PS:
Thank you Ibrahiim! Can you make sense of the date?

corrado26 · 14th October 2017, 05:26 PM

[QUOTE=mariusgmioc]
As long as it is genuine, made with traditional materials and workmanship, I don't care if it was made tomorrow. I would only be afraid if it were made in China or India...
QUOTE]

A very convincing and wise answer, thank you!
corrado26

corrado26 · 14th October 2017, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

As long as it is genuine, made with traditional materials and workmanship, I don't care if it was made tomorrow
I would only be afraid if it were made in China or India...

A very convincing and wise answer, thank you
corrado26

A.alnakkas · 14th October 2017, 05:38 PM

A lovely example, and better craftsmanship of the Houshan family. The dagger is made in 53, which is 1953, not hijri :-)

Is it white metal or silver?

motan · 14th October 2017, 07:05 PM

Hi Marius, I am joining the others. This is a nice classic shibriya from Jordan. I have seen a few that are virtually identical. This type is great because it is basic and well made, with only geometric decorations on no plastic or glass "stones".
Even without the date of 53, there are some features that show its age like: the decoration is made by simple engraving in straight lines, similar to Shayde78's shibriya in this recent thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23214 dating from about the same period. Later examples were either made by hammering over a template of with a zigzag line made by rocking the chisel while moving over the sheet-both are much quicker and more efficients methods.
The blade is a nice recurve with flat diamond cross section. Later blades have one side almost straight and a flat eliptical cross section.
So there is definitely a link between style and age or in other words - age does matter.
Eytan

Sajen · 14th October 2017, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Why "afraid"?!

As long as it is genuine, made with traditional materials and workmanship, I don't care if it was made tomorrow (btw. I believe mine to be from the 90'). I have many exceptional pieces in my collection that were made in the last 17 years.

Hello Marius,

it was just said without scoring!

And it seems that it's much older as I thought and I think that you happy about this!

Regards,
Detlef

mariusgmioc · 14th October 2017, 08:11 PM

Thank you guys for the comments!

Of course I am happy to learn it is much older than I have thought, but even if it wasn't, I would still have liked it for what it is.

And yes, the blade is quite strong, maybe even strong enough to deliver a deadly blow but certainly much stronger than the Shibriyas I found during my trip to Jordan.

And yes, I met even a few Badia policemen but their Shibriyas were no better than those in the Bazaar.

PS: white metal, not silver (maybe with the exception of the thread)

14th October 2017, 12:00 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Shibriya for comments Hello, This is the best Shibriya I have found to buy. I would appreciate any comments. Can anybody help with the translation of the writting on the blade please? Marius Attached Images

14th October 2017, 01:51 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Hello Marius, good workmanship but I am afraid, it's very recent. Regards, Detlef

14th October 2017, 02:40 PM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	In common with many weapons of this type the makers name is usually present ...Made By...(amal) and a date... as seen on your example.

14th October 2017, 05:26 PM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	[QUOTE=mariusgmioc] As long as it is genuine, made with traditional materials and workmanship, I don't care if it was made tomorrow. I would only be afraid if it were made in China or India... QUOTE] A very convincing and wise answer, thank you! corrado26

14th October 2017, 05:38 PM	#7
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	A lovely example, and better craftsmanship of the Houshan family. The dagger is made in 53, which is 1953, not hijri :-) Is it white metal or silver?

14th October 2017, 07:05 PM	#8
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi Marius, I am joining the others. This is a nice classic shibriya from Jordan. I have seen a few that are virtually identical. This type is great because it is basic and well made, with only geometric decorations on no plastic or glass "stones". Even without the date of 53, there are some features that show its age like: the decoration is made by simple engraving in straight lines, similar to Shayde78's shibriya in this recent thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23214 dating from about the same period. Later examples were either made by hammering over a template of with a zigzag line made by rocking the chisel while moving over the sheet-both are much quicker and more efficients methods. The blade is a nice recurve with flat diamond cross section. Later blades have one side almost straight and a flat eliptical cross section. So there is definitely a link between style and age or in other words - age does matter. Eytan

14th October 2017, 08:11 PM	#10
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Thank you guys for the comments! Of course I am happy to learn it is much older than I have thought, but even if it wasn't, I would still have liked it for what it is. And yes, the blade is quite strong, maybe even strong enough to deliver a deadly blow but certainly much stronger than the Shibriyas I found during my trip to Jordan. And yes, I met even a few Badia policemen but their Shibriyas were no better than those in the Bazaar. PS: white metal, not silver (maybe with the exception of the thread)