FRENCH CLOSE HELMET MID 16TH CENTURY

Cerjak · 2nd November 2016, 02:04 PM

FRENCH CLOSE HELMET WITH ETCHED AND GILT DECORATION MID 16TH CENTURY
At last I had the luck to add this rare helmet for field to my collection.
Any comments on it would be welcome.
best
CERJAK

Cerjak · 2nd November 2016, 06:24 PM

A similar etched and gilt decoration could be find on the burgonet in the musée de l'armée in Paris ascribed to ANNE DE MONTMORENCY (1493-1567)
http://www.musee-armee.fr/collection...1493-1567.html

Cerjak · 2nd November 2016, 06:37 PM

2 more French close helmets for the field

ulfberth · 3rd November 2016, 08:33 PM

That's a beautiful and elegant closed helmet Cerjack and in good condition to , congratulations !

kind regards

Ulfberth

Oliver Pinchot · 4th November 2016, 02:12 AM

Nice acquisition, congratulations!

A Senefelder · 4th November 2016, 02:52 PM

Jean, any chance for some pictures of the inside? I believe I see a small repair/restoration on the flange of the front half of the helmet where the gorget lames would be attached and possibly a small one on the medial ridge/comb and some inside pics would help me make sure. It would also aid in determining if the bowl was made in one piece or two halves crimped together along the comb. It looks from the pics to be two halves from what I can see where the plume holder is attached but the spot on the comb that may be a repair or possibly a point of attachment makes it hard to tell for certain.

mariusgmioc · 4th November 2016, 05:27 PM

Repaired or not, this is a magnificent helmet and in excellent condition!

Great aquisition!

Thank you for sharing it with us!

Cerjak · 4th November 2016, 05:37 PM

Thank you all for your comment,Allan I will post later some pics from the inside.
Best
CERJAK

Villerica · 6th February 2023, 09:23 PM

Is the skull made of one or two pieces ?

Cerjak · 7th February 2023, 09:03 AM

the skull is made of two pieces

Raf · 7th February 2023, 11:36 AM

Great to see.
Its reassuring that the real thing looks unquestionably right

Villerica · 7th February 2023, 08:51 PM

Thank you Cerjak. It's a very interesting Close Helmet and typically French in it's form. A nice find. I had one once but they are difficult to find.
I have the impression that I have seen it before. Has it been at auction ?
I didn't see that it was made of 2 pieces straight away. It's remarkably well done. I have the impression that I can see a rivet on the crest. Are there rivets along the crest holding the 2 sides together ?

Cerjak · 9th February 2023, 08:44 AM

in fact the two parts are assembled by means of a line of rivets, the latter are only visible from the inside except for the one that appears due to a local delamination of the roped comb. sold by TDM in June 2007

Cerjak · 9th February 2023, 12:29 PM

an other example which was offered in 2018 from the USA with less prominent visor

Villerica · 9th February 2023, 12:48 PM

Magnificent piece ! Thanks for the info. I do love these 2 piece Close Helmets. Maybe the first ones were made like this with a line of rivets rather than folded along the ridge. I have been told that they first appeared round about 1560-70 in France.

It has a lovely form. If it was mine I don't know if I would have it restored with a gorget or just leave it as it is.

Villerica · 9th February 2023, 12:52 PM

That's interesting. It's a one piece though isn't it ? I had a restored one but it too had a one piece construction.

Cerjak · 9th February 2023, 12:55 PM

better pic

Villerica · 9th February 2023, 06:43 PM

Yes it's a real beauty ! Nice etching too which I think may have been gilded.

Cerjak · 10th February 2023, 04:17 PM

armet of king HENRY III ( musée de l'armée)

Villerica · 14th February 2023, 07:27 PM

Very nice !

Villerica · 14th February 2023, 08:38 PM

I am not saying that it is fake but I find the form very odd particularly when I compare with other examples of French close helmets.

2nd November 2016, 02:04 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	FRENCH CLOSE HELMET MID 16TH CENTURY FRENCH CLOSE HELMET WITH ETCHED AND GILT DECORATION MID 16TH CENTURY At last I had the luck to add this rare helmet for field to my collection. Any comments on it would be welcome. best CERJAK Attached Images

2nd November 2016, 06:24 PM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	A similar etched and gilt decoration could be find on the burgonet in the musée de l'armée in Paris ascribed to ANNE DE MONTMORENCY (1493-1567) http://www.musee-armee.fr/collection...1493-1567.html Attached Images Last edited by Cerjak; 2nd November 2016 at 06:35 PM.

2nd November 2016, 06:37 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	2 more French close helmets for the field Attached Images

9th February 2023, 08:44 AM	#13
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	in fact the two parts are assembled by means of a line of rivets, the latter are only visible from the inside except for the one that appears due to a local delamination of the roped comb. sold by TDM in June 2007 Attached Images

9th February 2023, 12:29 PM	#14
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	an other example which was offered in 2018 from the USA with less prominent visor Attached Images

3rd November 2016, 08:33 PM	#4
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 401	That's a beautiful and elegant closed helmet Cerjack and in good condition to , congratulations ! kind regards Ulfberth

4th November 2016, 02:12 AM	#5
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Nice acquisition, congratulations!

4th November 2016, 02:52 PM	#6
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	Jean, any chance for some pictures of the inside? I believe I see a small repair/restoration on the flange of the front half of the helmet where the gorget lames would be attached and possibly a small one on the medial ridge/comb and some inside pics would help me make sure. It would also aid in determining if the bowl was made in one piece or two halves crimped together along the comb. It looks from the pics to be two halves from what I can see where the plume holder is attached but the spot on the comb that may be a repair or possibly a point of attachment makes it hard to tell for certain.

4th November 2016, 05:27 PM	#7
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Repaired or not, this is a magnificent helmet and in excellent condition! Great aquisition! Thank you for sharing it with us!

4th November 2016, 05:37 PM	#8
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Thank you all for your comment,Allan I will post later some pics from the inside. Best CERJAK

6th February 2023, 09:23 PM	#9
Villerica Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 26	Is the skull made of one or two pieces ?

7th February 2023, 09:03 AM	#10
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	the skull is made of two pieces

7th February 2023, 11:36 AM	#11
Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	Great to see. Its reassuring that the real thing looks unquestionably right

7th February 2023, 08:51 PM	#12
Villerica Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 26	Thank you Cerjak. It's a very interesting Close Helmet and typically French in it's form. A nice find. I had one once but they are difficult to find. I have the impression that I have seen it before. Has it been at auction ? I didn't see that it was made of 2 pieces straight away. It's remarkably well done. I have the impression that I can see a rivet on the crest. Are there rivets along the crest holding the 2 sides together ?

9th February 2023, 12:48 PM	#15
Villerica Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 26	Magnificent piece ! Thanks for the info. I do love these 2 piece Close Helmets. Maybe the first ones were made like this with a line of rivets rather than folded along the ridge. I have been told that they first appeared round about 1560-70 in France. It has a lovely form. If it was mine I don't know if I would have it restored with a gorget or just leave it as it is.

9th February 2023, 12:52 PM	#16
Villerica Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 26	That's interesting. It's a one piece though isn't it ? I had a restored one but it too had a one piece construction.

9th February 2023, 12:55 PM	#17
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	better pic Attached Images

9th February 2023, 06:43 PM	#18
Villerica Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 26	Yes it's a real beauty ! Nice etching too which I think may have been gilded.

10th February 2023, 04:17 PM	#19
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	armet of king HENRY III ( musée de l'armée) Attached Images

14th February 2023, 07:27 PM	#20
Villerica Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 26	Very nice !

14th February 2023, 08:38 PM	#21
Villerica Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 26	I am not saying that it is fake but I find the form very odd particularly when I compare with other examples of French close helmets. Attached Images