Panabas

scratch · 19th September 2008, 06:48 AM

G'day

If you have not handled a panabas , Please do.

Tim Simmons · 19th September 2008, 07:08 AM

Good day to you. I cannot wait to get my hands on one. So much so it disturds my sleep.

Bill M · 19th September 2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Good day to you. I cannot wait to get my hands on one. So much so it disturbs my sleep.

The thought of my wife getting her hands on one, in an angry state, would disturb my sleep, also!

Never go to sleep with a disagreement brewing in a house filled with sharp things!

Interesting panabas. Never seen one with a "kampilan" tip. Looks old. There looks like a cup hook near the tip in the overall view that had me confused until I reaized there were others on the board.

I like the iron bands holding the blade in place.

Bill · 19th September 2008, 05:21 PM

Nice. Looks like the prong got bent in the wrong direction.
Cato suggests the prong was to distract the opponent by raking against a exposed part of the body. While this may be true in combat, I doubt it was the main purpose or often used that way.
He also states many examples of kampilans have broken or bent prongs.
He also states that the kampilans were a arsenal weapon of a wealthy datu as well a arsenal weapon for the crews of a prahus (fighting ship).
Now close combat & lack of shields (no room on ships) makes the kampilan an unlikely sea weapon; except for the feature found on your panabas.
The concave area, the 2 "nubs" & prong would be ideal for grabbing the side of another ship for boarding. The nubs for a slight indention into the wood & the prong to pull (may explain why so many are damaged).
The opposite is true also, the prong could be used for pushing another boat away.
On land, the kamplians prong area is ideal for grasping & pulling down a shield, an easy experiment will prove this.
The "saw" like substitute, on some kamplians, would provide similar results on both land & sea.
So I'll speculate that your panabas is weapon used at sea in a fighting ship, likely a arsenal weapon of the ship.

Battara · 19th September 2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Interesting panabas. Never seen one with a "kampilan" tip.

There is one in Stone's book under "panabas".

Nice puppy Scratch. Congratulations!

I like these in particular....

hideyoshi · 20th September 2008, 04:14 AM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=moro

scratch · 20th September 2008, 09:40 PM

G'day

Thank you for your interest and thoughts and link.
Hang in there Tim,It will be worth the wait I think.
Bill Marsh, Thank you for sharing pieces from your collection. I always look forward to your posts.
Battara,Stones description states Cotobatto as an origin for a similiar example, is this an island?
Bill, great info! Were other weapons also arsenal produced?
Speculation regarding crescent spike: Could this have been used to position/control the neck in a formalized execution setting? I have read both kampilans and panabas' were used in this role.
Hideyoshi, Fantastic pieces!
Thanks again for all replies the communication is appreciated.

Kind regards,

Daniel

Battara · 21st September 2008, 01:44 AM

Cotobato is on the West coast of Mindanao Island, I think Maguindanao country.

kino · 3rd October 2008, 04:44 AM

Scratch, Here's a Panabas that's similar to yours.

Nonoy Tan · 3rd October 2008, 04:11 PM

I believe that Cotabato used to be a large area covering the southern part of the island of Mindanao - where the Ubo, Tasaday, Bila-an, Tiruray, T'boli, and Magindanao peoples mostly live. Today, this area has been divided into the the provinces of North Cotabato, Sultan Kudarat, Sarangani, South Cotabato, and Maguindanao. My guess, is that the "Cotabato" referred to is the one today known as Maguindanao Province - home of the Maguindanao people. This area lies south of Lanao del Sur (home of the Maranao). The Panabas could have been present among the Maguindanao and Maranao, because of close proximity.

19th September 2008, 06:48 AM	#1
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	Panabas G'day If you have not handled a panabas , Please do. Attached Images

20th September 2008, 04:14 AM	#6
hideyoshi Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 58	Head chopper http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=moro

3rd October 2008, 04:44 AM	#9
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 999	Scratch, Here's a Panabas that's similar to yours. Attached Images

19th September 2008, 07:08 AM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,782	Good day to you. I cannot wait to get my hands on one. So much so it disturds my sleep.

19th September 2008, 05:21 PM	#4
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Nice. Looks like the prong got bent in the wrong direction. Cato suggests the prong was to distract the opponent by raking against a exposed part of the body. While this may be true in combat, I doubt it was the main purpose or often used that way. He also states many examples of kampilans have broken or bent prongs. He also states that the kampilans were a arsenal weapon of a wealthy datu as well a arsenal weapon for the crews of a prahus (fighting ship). Now close combat & lack of shields (no room on ships) makes the kampilan an unlikely sea weapon; except for the feature found on your panabas. The concave area, the 2 "nubs" & prong would be ideal for grabbing the side of another ship for boarding. The nubs for a slight indention into the wood & the prong to pull (may explain why so many are damaged). The opposite is true also, the prong could be used for pushing another boat away. On land, the kamplians prong area is ideal for grasping & pulling down a shield, an easy experiment will prove this. The "saw" like substitute, on some kamplians, would provide similar results on both land & sea. So I'll speculate that your panabas is weapon used at sea in a fighting ship, likely a arsenal weapon of the ship.

20th September 2008, 09:40 PM	#7
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	G'day Thank you for your interest and thoughts and link. Hang in there Tim,It will be worth the wait I think. Bill Marsh, Thank you for sharing pieces from your collection. I always look forward to your posts. Battara,Stones description states Cotobatto as an origin for a similiar example, is this an island? Bill, great info! Were other weapons also arsenal produced? Speculation regarding crescent spike: Could this have been used to position/control the neck in a formalized execution setting? I have read both kampilans and panabas' were used in this role. Hideyoshi, Fantastic pieces! Thanks again for all replies the communication is appreciated. Kind regards, Daniel

21st September 2008, 01:44 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	Cotobato is on the West coast of Mindanao Island, I think Maguindanao country.

3rd October 2008, 04:11 PM	#10
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	I believe that Cotabato used to be a large area covering the southern part of the island of Mindanao - where the Ubo, Tasaday, Bila-an, Tiruray, T'boli, and Magindanao peoples mostly live. Today, this area has been divided into the the provinces of North Cotabato, Sultan Kudarat, Sarangani, South Cotabato, and Maguindanao. My guess, is that the "Cotabato" referred to is the one today known as Maguindanao Province - home of the Maguindanao people. This area lies south of Lanao del Sur (home of the Maranao). The Panabas could have been present among the Maguindanao and Maranao, because of close proximity.