Bedok-the short chopper from Sunda

Sajen · 28th September 2016, 03:37 PM

Want to show three bedok, a short golok, chopper like, wrong described often as bendo which is a different chopper, see here, special #31: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bendo

The first one coming from our member CharlesS, an example from 1930 and coming from Tjipatjing. The pictures from the ebay auction.

Total length 12-1/2 inches
Blade length 8 inches
Blade at widest 2-5/16 inches
Thickness at hilt 9/32 inch

Sajen · 28th September 2016, 03:43 PM

The second example coming also from Tjipatjing (I think since it will be meant Tjipatjing as short form) and will be from the same time frame as the first example and is 16.25" (ca. 41cm) long inside the scabbard.

Sajen · 28th September 2016, 03:51 PM

The third example is very recent, maybe second half of the 20th century, but show that this choppers are still in use. It's 12" long (30,5 cm), exact origin unknown.

Sajen · 28th September 2016, 03:56 PM

All pictures from the sellers. I will show them side by side when I have them in my hands.

All comments are very welcome and feel free to add your own examples, it could become a very informative thread about this nice working tools/knives.

Athanase · 28th September 2016, 11:20 PM

This "golok depot" was bought by its previous owner to Java in the 70s, but I havn't idea of his age.

Sajen · 28th September 2016, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Athanase

This "golok depot" was bought by its previous owner to Java in the 70s, but I havn't idea of his age.

Also a nice recent piece, I would guess that it was bought new by this previous owner so 70s seems a good age guess. The blade "manufacture" is similar to my youngest piece. I know that there are a lot of different bedok forms. Was the name "golok depot" given to you?

Regards,
Detlef

Athanase · 29th September 2016, 10:36 AM

I made a typo. I wanted to write Golok cepot.
I found this name on internet (an Australian sales site, but I havn't bought on this site). When I write that name on internet I've a lot of results similar to my knife.

Sajen · 29th September 2016, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Athanase

I made a typo. I wanted to write Golok cepot.
I found this name on internet (an Australian sales site, but I havn't bought on this site). When I write that name on internet I've a lot of results similar to my knife.

Thank you for the correction, cepot is one of the Panakawans, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=cepot

Regards,
Detlef

DaveA · 4th October 2016, 09:26 AM

Here is a Golok Cepot (Javanese) in my collection. It is only slightly larger than hand-size in length. In Sundanese, this would be referred to as a "Bedog Si Cepot" or "Bedog Petok". The seller originally described this as a bendo, which I believe to be an error.

I apologize for the poor quality of the image. If there is interest I will take some new photos.

Dave A.

Sajen · 4th October 2016, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveA

Here is a Golok Cepot (Javanese) in my collection. It is only slightly larger than hand-size in length. In Sundanese, this would be referred to as a "Bedog Si Cepot" or "Bedog Petok". The seller originally described this as a bendo, which I believe to be an error.

I apologize for the poor quality of the image. If there is interest I will take some new photos.

Dave A.

Hello Dave,

thank you for showing your example. I think that "golok" is a Malay term and "bedok" a Sundanese term. Cepot is like said before one of the Panawakans, see #6, and I think this coming from the handle form from the third example I've shown. All in this thread shown examples are of Sunda origin. Maybe Amuk Murugul will see this thread and will comment and will shed some light on this matter.

Regards,
Detlef

DaveA · 4th October 2016, 04:34 PM

Thank you Sajen.
As ever, I am grateful for the guidance of experts!

Best Regards,

Dave A.

Sajen · 4th October 2016, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveA

As ever, I am grateful for the guidance of experts!

You are welcome! But I am far away to be an expert!

Best regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 20th October 2016, 12:20 PM

Just see that I've won this 19th century bedok by a german auction house. It's 36 cm (14.2") long overall. Scabbard worked from horn and leather, this is what the auction house stated.

Roland_M · 20th October 2016, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Just see that I've won this 19th century bedok by a german auction house. It's 36 cm (14.2") long overall. Scabbard worked from horn and leather, this is what the auction house stated.

Hi Buddy,

Nice catch, congratulations!

I hope that I can see it during your next visit my friend.

Roland

Sajen · 20th October 2016, 01:39 PM

Hi Roland,

thank you my friend! For sure you will be able to handle it!

Best regards,
Detlef

russel · 20th October 2016, 10:20 PM

Beautiful

Sajen · 21st October 2016, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by russel

Beautiful

Sajen · 16th November 2016, 05:50 PM

Here some pictures from the first three pieces side by side. Will take some additional pictures from the fourth one soon.

Sajen · 2nd July 2017, 05:19 PM

A rather new addition to the small bedok collection, again an example from 1930-1940, handle like the first example with birds head, blade without any marks. 37 cm long inside scabbard, 36 cm without and the blade 23 cm, a little bit over 10 mm thick blade near the handle.
The last picture show it together with the 19th century example.

CharlesS · 2nd July 2017, 11:35 PM

Very nice examples, even the newer one.

You have taught us a lot about these.

Sajen · 9th July 2017, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

You have taught us a lot about these.

Hello Charles,

thank you but I've only summarized what Amuk Murugul, marto suwignyo and Alan (in an other thread) have learned me by the in post #1 provided link. And there is no criticism to Albert G. van Zonneveld that he has described this sort of knife in his book on page 34 as Bendo. He will have taken this name from an other source. The first example I bought from you and like so many times comes the other examples like they want to come to me.

Regards,
Detlef

28th September 2016, 03:43 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	The second example coming also from Tjipatjing (I think since it will be meant Tjipatjing as short form) and will be from the same time frame as the first example and is 16.25" (ca. 41cm) long inside the scabbard. Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 28th September 2016 at 04:24 PM.

28th September 2016, 03:56 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	All pictures from the sellers. I will show them side by side when I have them in my hands. All comments are very welcome and feel free to add your own examples, it could become a very informative thread about this nice working tools/knives. Last edited by Sajen; 28th September 2016 at 04:28 PM.

28th September 2016, 11:20 PM	#5
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 408	This "golok depot" was bought by its previous owner to Java in the 70s, but I havn't idea of his age. Attached Images

4th October 2016, 09:26 AM	#9
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 413	Golok Cepot Here is a Golok Cepot (Javanese) in my collection. It is only slightly larger than hand-size in length. In Sundanese, this would be referred to as a "Bedog Si Cepot" or "Bedog Petok". The seller originally described this as a bendo, which I believe to be an error. I apologize for the poor quality of the image. If there is interest I will take some new photos. Dave A. Attached Images

4th October 2016, 04:34 PM	#11
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 413	Cepot Thank you Sajen. As ever, I am grateful for the guidance of experts! Best Regards, Dave A.

28th September 2016, 03:37 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Bedok-the short chopper from Sunda Want to show three bedok, a short golok, chopper like, wrong described often as bendo which is a different chopper, see here, special #31: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bendo The first one coming from our member CharlesS, an example from 1930 and coming from Tjipatjing. The pictures from the ebay auction. Total length 12-1/2 inches Blade length 8 inches Blade at widest 2-5/16 inches Thickness at hilt 9/32 inch Attached Images Last edited by Robert; 29th September 2016 at 04:58 PM.

28th September 2016, 03:51 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	The third example is very recent, maybe second half of the 20th century, but show that this choppers are still in use. It's 12" long (30,5 cm), exact origin unknown. Attached Images

29th September 2016, 10:36 AM	#7
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 408	I made a typo. I wanted to write Golok cepot. I found this name on internet (an Australian sales site, but I havn't bought on this site). When I write that name on internet I've a lot of results similar to my knife.

20th October 2016, 12:20 PM	#13
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Just see that I've won this 19th century bedok by a german auction house. It's 36 cm (14.2") long overall. Scabbard worked from horn and leather, this is what the auction house stated. Attached Images

20th October 2016, 01:39 PM	#15
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Hi Roland, thank you my friend! For sure you will be able to handle it! Best regards, Detlef

20th October 2016, 10:20 PM	#16
russel Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 236	Beautiful

16th November 2016, 05:50 PM	#18
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Here some pictures from the first three pieces side by side. Will take some additional pictures from the fourth one soon. Attached Images

2nd July 2017, 05:19 PM	#19
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	A rather new addition to the small bedok collection, again an example from 1930-1940, handle like the first example with birds head, blade without any marks. 37 cm long inside scabbard, 36 cm without and the blade 23 cm, a little bit over 10 mm thick blade near the handle. The last picture show it together with the 19th century example. Attached Images

2nd July 2017, 11:35 PM	#20
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Very nice examples, even the newer one. You have taught us a lot about these.