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21st January 2020, 02:57 PM
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sword with flintlock pistol
A friend of mine owns this special sword with a SAHAGUM blade and a flintlock pistol. The blade might IMHO be much older than the pistol and so comments are invited.
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21st January 2020, 04:13 PM
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It's a really interesting piece. (two in one). Early 18th probably? For a wealthy owner!
But maybe not so practical for combat ...A prestigious weapon. |
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21st January 2020, 10:17 PM
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I can only mark two anomalies. The frizzen spring screw is knurled: this makes no sense. In addition, the front face of the frizzen had, in the box-locks, a recess in which the fold of the spring was inserted, for its support. The decoration of the guard seems very modern. It is my humble opinion. Affectionately |
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22nd January 2020, 08:39 AM
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22nd January 2020, 10:38 AM
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Google for knurled screw. That explains everything.
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22nd January 2020, 12:33 PM
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The method of fastening the upper jaw of the cock is to take up little space, so that the cock in its forward stroke can penetrate the guard. The same for the traction end, which goes back instead of going up, to be able to pass the guard. The same for the losing screw, which in any case, should occupy little place and has its square end to screw it Sorry for the translator. English is not my language. Affectionately |
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22nd January 2020, 01:01 PM
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A decoratipon piece ... most certainly.
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Also to bear in mind that the Sahaguns were extremely famous and therefore had their name assaulted by many other smiths. For a start the correct spell appears to be SAHAGUN , as per Palomares nomina and, more importantly, per Jehan Lhermitte, in his work Le Passetemps, written by the 1600's. Also the Sahagun mark should be found on the blade (fullers), if this were te real thing. . .- |
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22nd January 2020, 03:00 PM
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The name is not SAHAGUN, with final N and not with M? |
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22nd January 2020, 05:06 PM
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After my knowledge the correct spelling of the name of Luis Sahagun is SAHAGUN an not SAHAGUM. But it is known that during the times of the barock many imitations and falsifikations of swords or rapiers appeared on the market with the names of well known, famous but already passed away masters as Antonio Piccinino or Andrea Ferrara as well as the mostly wrongly spelled name of Luis Sahagun. So at least the blade of the discussed sword with the spelling SAHAGOM should be regarded under this aspect.
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22nd January 2020, 06:42 PM
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22nd January 2020, 07:07 PM
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Remember the Sahaguns were a whole family of blade smiths, father and three sons, Alonso (named like his father), Luiz and Juan, also nicknamed Sahaguncillo; all of them, with their father's mark, as per own right. By the way, the spelling in the discussed sword blade is not SAHAGOM but SAHAGVM, the letter V by then equivalent to U, as per old Latin. |
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