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Hi Guys,
Do you have any ideas or information's about these gorgeous Qajar blades? Always with a snake deep printed in the blade... Thanks Kubur |
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Really guys no one is interested by Iranian wootz blades???
I understand that snakes are frequently used as talismans and the two headed snake is probably a zulfikar symbol But I would like to know more about the sword maker of this particular kind of blades... Thanks!! ![]() |
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The dagger looks quite Kurdish, and the sword looks like a kaskara up to the pommel.
![]() My more humble ones for illustration: wootz kurdish jambiah, sudanese kaskara. |
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The sword is certainly a Persian blade with probably a Sudanese hilt as you have noticed. Other than that, I cannot say much except that the blades are exceptional indeed (both in terms of their quality and in terms of their original design). |
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Hello Kubur,
These are very beautiful blades, the dagger is typical for Qajar-era. But I see snakes on Qajar-blades for the first time, very interesting. All I can say is that European medieval swords also often got a snake in the middle of the blade. As far as I know no one really knows the meaning of the snake. Maybe something religious or the blade is deadly like a snake. Here is my Qajar-era dagger before and after restoration. Not completely finished now, the contrast is too weak. Roland |
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The sword is in the book "Islamic arms and armor in the Metropolitan museum of art" page 180-181
From the book (shortened) : Serpents and snakes are often found on iranian blades. Ultimatetly the image can be traced back to the biblical story of the staff of Moses, which became a serpent when thrown onto the ground. Many representations of the prophets sword are ingraved with snakes. It may also reflect some talismanic practice. There is a lot more information to be had about the sword in the book. Its a nice book, and not a bad purcase if you want the whole story. |
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Due to a number of military conflicts with the Russian Empire, the Qajar era saw the beginning of a strong European political and cultural presence during the reign of Fath 'Ali Shah (1797-1834.) This involved the French and British as well. Between his rule and that of his successor, Muhammed Shah (r.1834-48) all of these empires influenced Persia increasingly.
In terms of arms, flintlock pistols in European style, often with fine older Persian barrels, begin to appear. Sword blades (the form collectors call the shamshir) during this era are most often heirlooms, while the army adopts the Caucasian sword (known in the Persian context as a qaddareh) for use as an infantry sidearm. Muskets are a mixture of matchlock, heirloom tofang, and European-style flintlock (later percussion) muskets. Persian craftsmanship, especially metalworking, falls off increasingly during this period. Foreign blades, barrels and locks, being much cheaper, had all but replaced traditional weapons to the degree that once-honored swordsmiths were reduced to making scissors and combs to eke out a living. This changed drastically when Nasr al-Din Shah came to power in 1848. His nearly 50-year reign reinvented the Persian state, curbed, or at least mitigated, foreign powers, and revived the economy through a series of tax reforms. Both to invigorate this new economy and emphasize Persian nationalism, swordsmiths were encouraged to begin forging fine blades again after decades of inactivity. It is to this period in Persian history which many, though not all, of the blades such as those pictured above date. Neoclassicism was a wildly popular model, so many weapons made at this time are evocative of earlier styles, and a considerable number are dated decades, even centuries, before they were actually made. Nasr al-Din Shah promoted the wearing and display of these weapons, many of which are masterpieces, at court (something of a corollary to the revival of German sword makers under Hitler.) The serpent often represented on blades in this period, whether double- or single-headed, is a semiotic device which refers to Zahhak, a creature of evil which appears in Persian literature as early as the Zoroastrian Avestas (generally considered to have been compiled 200-600 b.c.e.) Zahhak, like most snakes, was known not only for its ill temper, but for its capacity to strike faster than the blink of an eye, characteristics immediately understood by any audience in this cultural group. Last edited by Oliver Pinchot; 15th February 2018 at 05:23 PM. |
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Hi Guys,
I'm so grateful, I'll answer to each of you. |
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Yes the dagger is a Persian Khanjar and yes the handle shape is a bit similar to the Kurdish ones or maybe is the other way round... You will find some Ottoman daggers with such handles and they are not Kurdish. This shape is not typical to Kurdish daggers. Yes its a kaskara with an Iranian blade as described in the MET catalogue. As Drabant said its an excellent book. |
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Thanks and very nice work. Did you post how you exposed the wootz? Yes the snake is talismanic. Have a look at Qajar Persian revival sword you will see plenty of snakes. But they are acid etched with calligraphy and court scenes. So basically bad quality work from the late Qajar period as described by Oliver. But these snakes above are top quality blades. Last edited by Kubur; 15th February 2018 at 09:37 PM. |
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But do you agree that the examples presented above are not late Qajar or Persian revival cheap blades? I will look again at the MET catalogue. Kubur |
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Specifically which examples?
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The cartouches look very similar and its highly improbable that Nasir al din cartouche was added later... A last point to add I had this kind of blade in my hands recently and the sword has very sharp edges, not like the acid etched ones who are purely decorative or for parade. I was just curious to know how many high quality blades like that are known in the world. |
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None of the images are cited, probably easiest just to paste it in again below
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