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Old 11th December 2010, 03:45 PM   #1
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Default Bali or Java??
Please what do you think about this hit : Java or Bali?
I think Java but....not shure
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Old 11th December 2010, 04:10 PM   #2
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My first guess would be Bali. How high is this hilt?
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Old 11th December 2010, 05:13 PM   #3
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My first guess would be Bali. How high is this hilt?
10 cm
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Old 11th December 2010, 05:21 PM   #4
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Cool hilt!
It'd also say Bali...of maybe Lombok.
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Old 11th December 2010, 06:36 PM   #5
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Oh yes Bali (or Lombak) for sure. The figure is a demon of some kind based on the fangs and finger nails.
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Old 11th December 2010, 06:56 PM   #6
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Hello Marco,
Nice and uncommon specimen, is it old or artificially aged? I am not sure about the Balinese origin because of the size and absence of integrated selut.
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Old 11th December 2010, 07:18 PM   #7
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Hello Marco,
Nice and uncommon specimen, is it old or artificially aged? I am not sure about the Balinese origin because of the size and absence of integrated selut.
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The patina said me old. I think far east Java... but of course not sure. The seller told me it comes from java.
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Old 11th December 2010, 07:28 PM   #8
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The patina said me old. I think far east Java... but of course not sure. The seller told me it comes from java.
Hello Marco,
If it is old I would say East Java tip (in front of Bali) also.
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Hello Marco,
If it is old I would say East Java tip (in front of Bali) also.
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The same i think
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Old 12th December 2010, 04:36 PM   #10
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I have several Bali hilts which have a high of 10 cm or less and also a hilt which one don't have a integrated selut so I think that this isn't imperative a sign of a Java origin. But it is of course possible that it might be a hilt from east Java with strong Bali influence.

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Old 13th December 2010, 10:51 AM   #11
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I have several Bali hilts which have a high of 10 cm or less and also a hilt which one don't have a integrated selut so I think that this isn't imperative a sign of a Java origin. But it is of course possible that it might be a hilt from east Java with strong Bali influence.

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The style of this hilt has a Balinese influence and I also have several Balinese hilts without selut or integrated selut but with a narrow base (rounded or truncated), this one seems to have a wide and flat base which does not match with a Balinese cincin? There is no visible trace of a former metal selut covering the base which would of course identify the hilt as Balinese, may be Marco could confirm?
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Old 13th December 2010, 04:04 PM   #12
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The style of this hilt has a Balinese influence and I also have several Balinese hilts without selut or integrated selut but with a narrow base (rounded or truncated), this one seems to have a wide and flat base which does not match with a Balinese cincin? There is no visible trace of a former metal selut covering the base which would of course identify the hilt as Balinese, may be Marco could confirm?
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Yes there is on trace of metal selut (or mendak ) at the base
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Old 13th December 2010, 06:42 PM   #13
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The style of this hilt has a Balinese influence and I also have several Balinese hilts without selut or integrated selut but with a narrow base (rounded or truncated), this one seems to have a wide and flat base which does not match with a Balinese cincin? There is no visible trace of a former metal selut covering the base which would of course identify the hilt as Balinese, may be Marco could confirm?
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Good point made by Jean. Although the figure and decorative is more 'appropriate' Balinese style, the execution on the base especially remind of Madura hilt. So I vote Java (Madura).
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Old 13th December 2010, 06:54 PM   #14
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Yes there is on trace of metal selut (or mendak ) at the base
If there was a selut fully covering the base or part of it, then the hilt is probably Balinese and the size is appropriate. But if it was just a mendak fitted under the base, it is a different situation...
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Old 13th December 2010, 10:14 PM   #15
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Yes there is on trace of metal selut (or mendak ) at the base
Sorry: ...Yes there is NOT trace....
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Yes there is on trace of metal selut (or mendak ) at the base
Sorry Marco, I wrongly understood ONE trace of metal selut.... Then I also vote for East Java or Madura as Chandra.
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