what's important; the object or its pamor?

sukuh · 19th June 2008, 06:58 PM

I used to think that pamor was exclusive for keris or tombak but this is neither;(the bottompart of the pictures) no keris no tombak but still Pamor...
Please gentleman, would you be so kind to tell me tell me what it is (maybe even both of them) and why it's has pamor...

Marcokeris · 19th June 2008, 07:15 PM

Is it possible to see weapons more near?

sukuh · 19th June 2008, 10:01 PM

Tomorrow I'll try to send some more detailed pictures.

sukuh · 19th June 2008, 10:49 PM

As promised some pictures. I fotgot to tell that its origins are from Solo,
At first I thought it was a golok but I don't understand that pointed shape...

sukuh · 19th June 2008, 11:01 PM

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The contrast in the later pictures is less due the conditions of the light when I was taking those pictures. For the real contrast, please, take a look at the first pictures.

Rick · 20th June 2008, 12:43 AM

I think we're drifting off topic here as this forum is Keris oriented .

BUT

Along with following this thread's intended purpose I would also like to use it as an informal poll of our participants as to what they would consider 'on topic' for this forum .

Thanks
Rick

A. G. Maisey · 20th June 2008, 01:25 AM

The pamor question is easy:- its simply a method of blade construction that provides a practical and economic solution to construction of a durable blade with a sharp edge.
The fact that over time that it became a means of blade ornamentation is something else entirely.

Rick, I cannot give an impartial opinion on what should and should not be admitted for discussion here. My point of view is too much influenced by my experience. That experience tells me that any object of wesi aji is eligible for discussion in a keris environment. However, we have a very diverse membership. The position which may suit a student of the keris who lives in Jawa, may not suit a general collector who lives in New York.

So, my very biased opinion is that any object of wesi aji should be admitted for discussion.

Henk · 20th June 2008, 10:37 PM

Rick,

Considering the policy of this forum and the transfers of questions and discussion of other weapons than the keris to the Ethnographic Weapons forum in the past, I think this thread is of topic indeed and should be transfered.

If the discussion is about pamor which is so keris related, it is quite understandable this particular topic is on the Keris Warung Kopi forum. If the discussion is concentrating on the pedang showed here, I think the thread should be transfered to the Ethnographic Weapons forum.

Rick · 21st June 2008, 12:27 AM

Alan, thanks .
Henk, thanks for your response too .

ganjawulung · 21st June 2008, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sukuh

Please gentleman, would you be so kind to tell me tell me what it is (maybe even both of them) and why it's has pamor...

IMHO, both are "pedang suduk" (thrusting pedang?). The naga relief, in javanese term we call it "naga tapa" (meditating naga)...

sukuh · 21st June 2008, 07:59 AM

Gentlemen, thank you very much for your help.

Sukuh

19th June 2008, 06:58 PM	#1
sukuh Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15	what's important; the object or its pamor? I used to think that pamor was exclusive for keris or tombak but this is neither;(the bottompart of the pictures) no keris no tombak but still Pamor... Please gentleman, would you be so kind to tell me tell me what it is (maybe even both of them) and why it's has pamor... Attached Images

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sukuh Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15	pictures Tomorrow I'll try to send some more detailed pictures.

19th June 2008, 10:49 PM	#4
sukuh Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15	As promised some pictures. I fotgot to tell that its origins are from Solo, At first I thought it was a golok but I don't understand that pointed shape... Attached Images

19th June 2008, 11:01 PM	#5
sukuh Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15	HTML Code: I fotgot I FORGOT, sorry about that.... The contrast in the later pictures is less due the conditions of the light when I was taking those pictures. For the real contrast, please, take a look at the first pictures.

20th June 2008, 12:43 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hi All I think we're drifting off topic here as this forum is Keris oriented . BUT Along with following this thread's intended purpose I would also like to use it as an informal poll of our participants as to what they would consider 'on topic' for this forum . Thanks Rick

19th June 2008, 07:15 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Is it possible to see weapons more near?

20th June 2008, 01:25 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,897	The pamor question is easy:- its simply a method of blade construction that provides a practical and economic solution to construction of a durable blade with a sharp edge. The fact that over time that it became a means of blade ornamentation is something else entirely. Rick, I cannot give an impartial opinion on what should and should not be admitted for discussion here. My point of view is too much influenced by my experience. That experience tells me that any object of wesi aji is eligible for discussion in a keris environment. However, we have a very diverse membership. The position which may suit a student of the keris who lives in Jawa, may not suit a general collector who lives in New York. So, my very biased opinion is that any object of wesi aji should be admitted for discussion.

20th June 2008, 10:37 PM	#8
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Rick, Considering the policy of this forum and the transfers of questions and discussion of other weapons than the keris to the Ethnographic Weapons forum in the past, I think this thread is of topic indeed and should be transfered. If the discussion is about pamor which is so keris related, it is quite understandable this particular topic is on the Keris Warung Kopi forum. If the discussion is concentrating on the pedang showed here, I think the thread should be transfered to the Ethnographic Weapons forum.

21st June 2008, 12:27 AM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Alan, thanks . Henk, thanks for your response too .

21st June 2008, 07:59 AM	#11
sukuh Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15	Thank you very much Gentlemen, thank you very much for your help. Sukuh