Interesting rounded tip kindjal

erlikhan · 30th June 2007, 10:18 AM

Only if I have to make a comment, I would guess this kindjal with a rounded tip is a fire brigade officer sword from 19th c.,when firefighting regiments in Ottoman army were formed in 1860. Both edges are razor sharp. Inspires me through Ottoman origin with its classical Turkish brass stitching. But all I guess can be wrong and it would not surprize me. Does anybody have better comments? Perhaps just a kindjal was broken and a master made a new scabbard for it?

regards

CharlesS · 30th June 2007, 02:39 PM

The fact that the fullers run off the end of the blade I think makes it a break or a cut down kindjal or qama.

I think the scabbard is very interesting in and of itself...says that the sword was highly regarded enough to keep, and that it has been that way for some(a long) time.

Interesting piece!

ariel · 1st July 2007, 04:21 AM

Leslie Blanch in her book "Sabres of Paradise" quotes native Caucasians that the true purpose of Kindjal was to slash and not to stab. Her local informers told her that stabbing was an un-gentlemanly

way of fighting and that a "stabber" was viewed with derision. Are we seeing an extreme illustration ? After all, it was just as easy to restore the point, and the fullers would "run off" anyway.

ham · 1st July 2007, 07:05 PM

Well, it's clear the tip has been rebated as CharlesS notes, and that the scabbard is not only Ottoman in style but has been made to suit the blade in its shortened form. Thrusting would of course be pointless (forgive me) but one could conceivably do a nasty rolling tip-cut with this one.

Ham

Tim Simmons · 1st July 2007, 07:14 PM

Very nice scabbard.

erlikhan · 1st July 2007, 09:05 PM

ok,we suppose it had been a longer kindjal,with normal tip, and was broken/repaired. It goes without any significant narrowing till the end. so, if it was once narrowing and becoming a point, even if after just the current end of the blade,perhaps 10 cms more?, it means a very long kindjal with a narrow and fragile blade having unscaled proportion compared to its length. Not?

erlikhan · 1st July 2007, 09:07 PM

in fact, I plan to market it, with the presentation of once being the tool of the royal "doner kebab" cook of the Ottoman palace kitchen

Tim Simmons · 1st July 2007, 09:09 PM

To my eyes I do not think there has been any alteration to the blade. The finishing of the fullers seems too controlled. But I know very little of these things.

30th June 2007, 10:18 AM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Interesting rounded tip kindjal Only if I have to make a comment, I would guess this kindjal with a rounded tip is a fire brigade officer sword from 19th c.,when firefighting regiments in Ottoman army were formed in 1860. Both edges are razor sharp. Inspires me through Ottoman origin with its classical Turkish brass stitching. But all I guess can be wrong and it would not surprize me. Does anybody have better comments? Perhaps just a kindjal was broken and a master made a new scabbard for it? regards Attached Images Last edited by erlikhan; 30th June 2007 at 11:41 AM.

30th June 2007, 02:39 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	The fact that the fullers run off the end of the blade I think makes it a break or a cut down kindjal or qama. I think the scabbard is very interesting in and of itself...says that the sword was highly regarded enough to keep, and that it has been that way for some(a long) time. Interesting piece!

1st July 2007, 04:21 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Leslie Blanch in her book "Sabres of Paradise" quotes native Caucasians that the true purpose of Kindjal was to slash and not to stab. Her local informers told her that stabbing was an un-gentlemanly way of fighting and that a "stabber" was viewed with derision. Are we seeing an extreme illustration ? After all, it was just as easy to restore the point, and the fullers would "run off" anyway.

1st July 2007, 07:05 PM	#4
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	Well, it's clear the tip has been rebated as CharlesS notes, and that the scabbard is not only Ottoman in style but has been made to suit the blade in its shortened form. Thrusting would of course be pointless (forgive me) but one could conceivably do a nasty rolling tip-cut with this one. Ham

1st July 2007, 07:14 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Very nice scabbard.

1st July 2007, 09:05 PM	#6
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	ok,we suppose it had been a longer kindjal,with normal tip, and was broken/repaired. It goes without any significant narrowing till the end. so, if it was once narrowing and becoming a point, even if after just the current end of the blade,perhaps 10 cms more?, it means a very long kindjal with a narrow and fragile blade having unscaled proportion compared to its length. Not?

1st July 2007, 09:07 PM	#7
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	in fact, I plan to market it, with the presentation of once being the tool of the royal "doner kebab" cook of the Ottoman palace kitchen

1st July 2007, 09:09 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	To my eyes I do not think there has been any alteration to the blade. The finishing of the fullers seems too controlled. But I know very little of these things.