Cossack man - who is it?

Drabant1701 · 9th June 2021, 04:49 PM

I recently bought a photo album with CDV photos. all of them are named and of kings, political figuress military commanders etc. It is however difficult to read things written in days past so Im turning to you for help on this photo of a cossack man. Do you know who it is?

corrado26 · 9th June 2021, 04:58 PM

Schamyl prince and Imam of the Caucasians

Saracen · 9th June 2021, 06:02 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil

After Corrado26's message, you can find the information yourself, but I decided to help you

ariel · 11th June 2021, 02:38 PM

Shamil was never a “prince”, and emphatically not a “ cossack”
He was a leader of nationalistic/religious movement/war against Russian forces trying to subjugate the Caucasus. Under his leadership Islamic Caucasian nations fought Russian army ( including Cossacks).
His name is a Koranic Arabic modification of the Biblical prophet Samuel, in Hebrew: Shmuel, “ Hear G-d”.

If you are interested in the history of that 100-yeas-long war that never ended till today , get a book by Leslie Blanch “ The sabres of paradise”. Historically accurate, comprehensive and reads like Tom Clancy.

Jim McDougall · 12th June 2021, 10:33 PM

As noted, Shamil was the leader of the Sufi Naqshbandi order in their resistance to invading Russian forces in what were often termed 'The Murid Wars' (Murid was the term for disciples in this movement 1829-59).
These campaigns in the eastern Caucusus were part of the larger conflicts there which lasted 1817-64, but Shamil surrendered in 1859.

The book "Sabers of Paradise" is spellbinding! and one of the best accounts describing these complex and colorful times and these warriors, of which Shamil seems almost superhuman!

Saracen · 14th June 2021, 02:04 AM

Thank you, Ariel and Jim, for recommending this book. I didn't know about her.
You characterized her so vividly, for me now it is an instruction to read)

Drabant1701 · 16th June 2021, 09:25 PM

Many thanks for your replies. Very informative as always. If you are not into collecting 19th century photos yet, I suggest you give it a try. Thay take up less space then arms and armor. Until you have hundreds

gp · 18th June 2021, 10:03 PM

there are quite some interesting books on this Sufi order but concerning the above mentioned topic I can recommand:

Anna Zelkina, "Quest for God and Freedom: Sufi Responses to the Russian Advance in the North Caucasus "

Saracen · 19th June 2021, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Drabant1701

If you are not into collecting 19th century photos yet, I suggest you give it a try.

I have not passed by photos of the XIX century for a long time. Only I prefer stereo photos. And then I look at them in the evenings through an old stereoscope. They give an amazing effect of being present in places and events, which have been gone for a long time. It seems that you can reach out, take a cigar from the table and smoke it with them, there, in their time. Try old stereo photos).

Saracen · 19th June 2021, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gp

there are quite some interesting books on this Sufi order but concerning the above mentioned topic I can recommand:

Anna Zelkina, "Quest for God and Freedom: Sufi Responses to the Russian Advance in the North Caucasus "

Hi, GP. Thank you for your recommendation. If it is not difficult, please write me these books in PM.

gp · 19th June 2021, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Saracen

Hi, GP. Thank you for your recommendation. If it is not difficult, please write me these books in PM.

If it is not difficult...?
Can a duck swim?

صديقى You've got mail !

Saracen · 20th June 2021, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gp

If it is not difficult...?
Can a duck swim?

صديقى You've got mail !

Thanks! Your postal duck just arrived (ما شاء الله), and was immediately sent back with a reply message

gp · 14th June 2022, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

If you are interested in the history of that 100-yeas-long war that never ended till today , get a book by Leslie Blanch “ The sabres of paradise”. Historically accurate, comprehensive and reads like Tom Clancy.

a little side track but perhaps interesting for some of you who might be interested in reading SF / Fantasy or its movies...
the mentioned booked has influenced Frank Herbert's book "Dune":

https://arnoldkhan.medium.com/how-th...e-f2b892c4869e

9th June 2021, 04:49 PM	#1
Drabant1701 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sweden Posts: 181	Cossack man - who is it? I recently bought a photo album with CDV photos. all of them are named and of kings, political figuress military commanders etc. It is however difficult to read things written in days past so Im turning to you for help on this photo of a cossack man. Do you know who it is? Attached Images

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ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Shamil was never a “prince”, and emphatically not a “ cossack” He was a leader of nationalistic/religious movement/war against Russian forces trying to subjugate the Caucasus. Under his leadership Islamic Caucasian nations fought Russian army ( including Cossacks). His name is a Koranic Arabic modification of the Biblical prophet Samuel, in Hebrew: Shmuel, “ Hear G-d”. If you are interested in the history of that 100-yeas-long war that never ended till today , get a book by Leslie Blanch “ The sabres of paradise”. Historically accurate, comprehensive and reads like Tom Clancy. Last edited by ariel; 11th June 2021 at 03:48 PM.

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Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,948	As noted, Shamil was the leader of the Sufi Naqshbandi order in their resistance to invading Russian forces in what were often termed 'The Murid Wars' (Murid was the term for disciples in this movement 1829-59). These campaigns in the eastern Caucusus were part of the larger conflicts there which lasted 1817-64, but Shamil surrendered in 1859. The book "Sabers of Paradise" is spellbinding! and one of the best accounts describing these complex and colorful times and these warriors, of which Shamil seems almost superhuman! Attached Images Last edited by Jim McDougall; 13th June 2021 at 01:52 AM.

9th June 2021, 04:58 PM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	Schamyl prince and Imam of the Caucasians

9th June 2021, 06:02 PM	#3
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil After Corrado26's message, you can find the information yourself, but I decided to help you

14th June 2021, 02:04 AM	#6
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	Thank you, Ariel and Jim, for recommending this book. I didn't know about her. You characterized her so vividly, for me now it is an instruction to read)

16th June 2021, 09:25 PM	#7
Drabant1701 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sweden Posts: 181	Many thanks for your replies. Very informative as always. If you are not into collecting 19th century photos yet, I suggest you give it a try. Thay take up less space then arms and armor. Until you have hundreds

18th June 2021, 10:03 PM	#8
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 719	there are quite some interesting books on this Sufi order but concerning the above mentioned topic I can recommand: Anna Zelkina, "Quest for God and Freedom: Sufi Responses to the Russian Advance in the North Caucasus "