This one needs some repair

Freddy · 1st March 2010, 04:10 PM

I got this piece some time ago in a swap. I knew it was damaged, but the fittings looked good on the pictures.

My guess is that it's a shamshir. Don't know the origin. The blade has been cut down by a previous owner. Probably, it was broken, hence...

I'm certain the fittings are made out of silver. They are great. The sheath can easily be taken apart.

The covering on the sheath (which was already renewed) has deteriorated. So I wonder what kind of material would be needed to give it a new covering.

Here are some pics :

Michael Blalock · 1st March 2010, 05:18 PM

Do you have pictures of the entire blade? The silver-work on the scabbard looks Yemeni.

Freddy · 1st March 2010, 08:08 PM

As I said, the blade was shortened. There are some marks near the handle. On one side there are two stars and a sun. On the other side, it's only marked with a sun.

Total length of the sword : 71 cm.

Length of the blade : 59 cm.

Length of the sheath : 85 cm.

ariel · 1st March 2010, 09:08 PM

" she used to be a beautiful baby...."

Gavin Nugent · 3rd March 2010, 06:33 AM

With so many cultural influences that are present with all the parts, where do you think it is from???

Gav

A.alnakkas · 8th February 2012, 02:14 AM

Sorry to bring out an old topic.

This is a very interesting sword. Its arab, I think with a caucas blade. The fitting are yemeni.

Reminds me of those random yemeni swords which seem to be enhanced badawi style.

Dom · 8th February 2012, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Sorry to bring out an old topic.

This is a very interesting sword. Its arab, I think with a caucas blade. The fitting are yemeni.

Reminds me of those random yemeni swords which seem to be enhanced badawi style.

Hi Lotfi
In summary, it's a "Saïf"

à +

Dom

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 8th February 2012, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Lotfi
In summary, it's a "Saïf"

à +

Dom

Salaams Dom, No its a Kattara.(being curved)

I agree on the blade with Lofty... As for repairing the scabbard I would consider either a silver case or simple tooled leather.

Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

A.alnakkas · 18th February 2012, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams Dom, No its a Kattara.(being curved)

I agree on the blade with Lofty... As for repairing the scabbard I would consider either a silver case or simple tooled leather.

Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

I think this is the Omani Variation of the Badawi style? The scabbard fittings look very yemeni.. its the hilt that could be Omani. Am not sure.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 18th February 2012, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

I think this is the Omani Variation of the Badawi style? The scabbard fittings look very yemeni.. its the hilt that could be Omani. Am not sure.

Salaams A.alnakkas~ I was thinking more the style of hilt from Syria? Actually I thought Bedawi style too. Not Omani. Possible Yemeni or Saudia?
ibrahiim al Balooshi.

A.alnakkas · 18th February 2012, 03:23 PM

Salaams,

No this is not syrian style. Badawi style is abit different depending on region, ones coming out of Qatar and Bahrain have a shorter pommel cap then "saudi" ones.

I think this is Omani with Yemeni scabbard fitting (or maybe Omani scabbard). Here is a similar one on Artzi's site:

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=1007

If you pay closer attention tO the fittings decoration you will see Omani all over it.

CharlesS · 18th February 2012, 09:12 PM

WOW! If this one could talk. It's seen a lot of time and been in many seemingly diverse hands!!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th February 2012, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Salaams,

No this is not syrian style. Badawi style is abit different depending on region, ones coming out of Qatar and Bahrain have a shorter pommel cap then "saudi" ones.

I think this is Omani with Yemeni scabbard fitting (or maybe Omani scabbard). Here is a similar one on Artzi's site:

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=1007

If you pay closer attention tO the fittings decoration you will see Omani all over it.

Salaams A.alnakkas Ok close attention now being applied ! ...

Both the sword which your reference terms Shamshir and the object on this thread are indeed Omani adoptions. The style of silver wire decoration interlocking behind the crossguard and scabbard crown shaped rings matches Omani Kattara Style in Iconised swords adapted from the Persian Shamshiir; see Richardson and Dorr pages 454/455 from The Craft Herritage of Oman. The heavy decorative scabbard covering looks Yemeni/Saudi ? or Indian? I add the Indian note following discovery of what the reference(please copy and paste) http://www.auctionflex.com/showlots...genum=1&lang=En
shows as a Hyderabadi Shamshir. Perhaps that is one of the route adoptions into the Omani armoury of the Persian Shamshir as well as direct.

Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

1st March 2010, 04:10 PM	#1
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	This one needs some repair I got this piece some time ago in a swap. I knew it was damaged, but the fittings looked good on the pictures. My guess is that it's a shamshir. Don't know the origin. The blade has been cut down by a previous owner. Probably, it was broken, hence... I'm certain the fittings are made out of silver. They are great. The sheath can easily be taken apart. The covering on the sheath (which was already renewed) has deteriorated. So I wonder what kind of material would be needed to give it a new covering. Here are some pics : Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 18th February 2012 at 09:53 PM.

1st March 2010, 08:08 PM	#3
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	As I said, the blade was shortened. There are some marks near the handle. On one side there are two stars and a sun. On the other side, it's only marked with a sun. Total length of the sword : 71 cm. Length of the blade : 59 cm. Length of the sheath : 85 cm. Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 18th February 2012 at 09:55 PM.

3rd March 2010, 06:33 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	hmmm With so many cultural influences that are present with all the parts, where do you think it is from??? Gav

1st March 2010, 05:18 PM	#2
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 271	Do you have pictures of the entire blade? The silver-work on the scabbard looks Yemeni.

1st March 2010, 09:08 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	" she used to be a beautiful baby...."

8th February 2012, 02:14 AM	#6
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Sorry to bring out an old topic. This is a very interesting sword. Its arab, I think with a caucas blade. The fitting are yemeni. Reminds me of those random yemeni swords which seem to be enhanced badawi style.

18th February 2012, 03:23 PM	#11
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Salaams, No this is not syrian style. Badawi style is abit different depending on region, ones coming out of Qatar and Bahrain have a shorter pommel cap then "saudi" ones. I think this is Omani with Yemeni scabbard fitting (or maybe Omani scabbard). Here is a similar one on Artzi's site: http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=1007 If you pay closer attention tO the fittings decoration you will see Omani all over it.

18th February 2012, 09:12 PM	#12
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	WOW! If this one could talk. It's seen a lot of time and been in many seemingly diverse hands!!