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Old 2nd May 2013, 08:06 PM   #1
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We recently restored this sword.What do you think? What are the symbols on the blade and handle guard? Sheath is cow leather.How do I restore sheath?On the sword blade write MANUF ....... KLINGENTHAL ....... 1814. Thank you very much friends.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 08:13 PM   #2
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Images 3 and 4 we have put in error. Excuse me.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 08:19 PM   #3
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Other pictures with symbols sword.
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Old 5th May 2013, 03:57 PM   #4
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Hello Multumesc,

It is my understanding that this is a regulation French infantry hanger of the Napoleonic era. French swords of the 19th century were primarily issued by two major government manufacturers, one being Klingenthal, in the east of France ( the other being Châtellerault in the centre of the country). During the Napoleonic period, regulation swords were also produced by the smaller manufacturer of Versaille, near Paris, which assembled weapons with blades from Klingenthal. Taking the time frame that the spine marking has given us, it could be that this hanger was Versaille built with a Klingenthal blade. I am sorry I cannot really read the spine marking properly, but it should say something along the lines of Klingenthal Novembre 1814 , or Manfre Rle du Klingenthal 1814 or similar.

The symbols you ask about are certainly armoury markings and inspection stamps, I do not know enough about these to comment further, perhaps someone more knowledgeable will discuss them more elaborately.

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Old 5th May 2013, 09:36 PM   #5
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As Christek said, your sword was indeed made during the napoleonic period in Klingenthal and I mean a 100% Klingenthal piece, as the vast majority of the napoleonic imperial era.

Quite desiderable, I would not mind owing it and if with original scabbard... that is rarely seen.

The poicons on the blade and hilt are Klingenthal insepector marks:

1. B with a star above:
BORSON Etienne, Louis Lieutenant-colonel Blade inspector 1st class and also director of the manufacture d'Etat from 1. august 1814 to 1. september 1815

2. B in imperial laurel wreath:
BICK, Jean-Georges, controlleur from 23 februar 1809 to 1 august 1824

3. The big corsiva B:
BISCH, Joseph, Ambroise, assemblation inspector, at Klingenthal from 23. feb. 1809

4. Big L is for:
LOBSTEIN François, Louis Klingenthal revisor from 15 june 1804

Most certainly from the late 1814, as the engraving on the back says.

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Old 6th May 2013, 11:08 AM   #6
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Maybe this sword was used in the battle of Waterloo?
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Old 25th May 2013, 02:43 PM   #7
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This type of sword was used in the battle of Waterloo??? Have been used by officers?
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Old 25th May 2013, 04:14 PM   #8
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This type of sword was used in the battle of Waterloo??? :
Apparently yes .

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Have been used by officers?
This was a Seargeant weapon, i guess
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Old 25th May 2013, 04:22 PM   #9
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Hello Multumesc,

I am no expert on this era, but I believe that these types of hangers were used by French infantry during the Waterloo Battle. While I understand that the British had ceased using regulation hangers by this period, I believe that the French still retained the idea. Perhaps not every infantrymen, but at least the elite 'Old Guard' (or Republican Guard) and other elite troops would certainly have been issued this short sword - (see pic below).

To answer your question regarding the use of these by officers, I do not think that these were extensively used by officers; who would have had more elaborate and longer sabres, in line with their social status. French Infantrymen would use these hangers as an immediate back-up weapon in case they lose their muskets with fixed bayonets.

Hope this helps a little!

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Old 29th September 2013, 12:29 PM   #10
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Thank you very much for your answers. It is possible and such swords with gilded handle?
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