Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 17th September 2024, 10:12 PM   #1
Marius66
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 117
Cool Jade hilted khyber knife

Dear members,

Here the khyber knife I had the chance to get ,
These are the pictures of.the auctionhouse
I hope I will receive it soon.

The jade hilt is interesting ,
I saw a lot of 1900 and recent peshkabz with this kind of hilt of average quality but I hope this one is a good one
and I just found one indian ''khyber knife'' with jade hilt.

The blade seems good too but has no special decorations or engravings, or damascening .

''Just' a good fighting weapon more than a parade tchi tchi one ??
Attached Images
     
Marius66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th September 2024, 10:28 PM   #2
Gustav
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,253
Default

There is a chance this might be wootz.
Gustav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th September 2024, 11:29 PM   #3
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,895
Default

Would agree with Gustav!
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th September 2024, 12:26 AM   #4
Marius66
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 117
Default

Thank you for your messages !

Yes it is fine wootz , that's what said the auctionhouse,
Said too it was not common to have a high quality blade and hilt on a ''fighting'' or ''military'' model .
Maybe made for an high rank army member...
I will post pictures when I'll receive it.
Marius66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th September 2024, 11:53 AM   #5
Marius66
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 117
Default

I finallyreceived it,
I'm going to clean it soon and see what's going on with the blade.

Interesting on the scabbard the first 7 holes with fake rubies or some kind of resin. Have any of you ever seen something like this ?

Another thing I wanted to highlight was the small size of this Khyber, 48 cm long. Could it not be a large Indian kard which would then have been mounted with an Afghan military type scabbard at the end of the 19th century?
Attached Images
     
Marius66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th September 2024, 11:56 AM   #6
Marius66
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 117
Default

A kard like this one ?
Attached Images
  
Marius66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th September 2024, 04:37 PM   #7
Tim Simmons
Member
 
Tim Simmons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: What is still UK
Posts: 5,812
Default

I don't think these grips are of true jade. More likely what is known as Jade Onyx.
Tim Simmons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th September 2024, 07:03 PM   #8
Marius66
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 117
Default

The one I get oh yes,
nephritic jade, certified by the gemologist of the auction house i personnally know since a decade.

I already cleaned it and polished the blade,
Just need to receive etchant to finish the job...
Attached Images
   
Marius66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th September 2024, 07:12 PM   #9
Marius66
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 117
Default

Here some results using ferric chloride,
few time...

Not the best
but we can see on both side an
homogeneous fine grain structure.
I hope to get some Nital but there are problems with
customs 😬🙃..
Attached Images
   
Marius66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd October 2024, 09:06 PM   #10
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,240
Default

Looks like a type of crystalline wootz to me.

Similar to Turkish or India crystalline wootz.
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd October 2024, 06:25 PM   #11
francantolin
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 885
Default

Wow beautiful blade!!
( and nice job ! )
for the sheath I have already seen an identical one for a Khyber with ivory handle but I cannot put my hand on the picture .
The handle is nice too and not common.
Congrats
francantolin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th October 2024, 07:30 PM   #12
Interested Party
Member
 
Interested Party's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Eastern Sierra
Posts: 483
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marius66 View Post
The one I get oh yes,
nephritic jade, certified by the gemologist of the auction house i personnally know since a decade.
To me the pictures look like nephrite handles. Nice polish on this pretty knife. What grit did you take it to?
Interested Party is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th October 2024, 10:56 PM   #13
Marius66
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 117
Default

Thank you all for your replies !

It is not made of jadeite jade ( the number one )
But yes good nephritic jade ( certiified as I wrote )

I found this ottoman dagger '' kard'' with a similar jade handle ,
Interesting wootz blade who links with the comment of Battara about Indian or Turkish crystalline wootz .( still thank you )

For the grit, I started with 400 ( they where a lot of scratches /stains , then 600, 800, 1000, 1200 and 1500,
the finest grain I have.
Then etching , ( and sure baking soda neutralisation ! ) results I think would have been better with Nital but I finished my small bottle time ago and can get it again easily 😑
Attached Images
 
Marius66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:05 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.